They’d rather die: brief lives of the Afghan slave wives

Written By: Roy_Whyte
Date: 2006-11-12 08:08:50
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Five years after the Taliban were ousted from Kabul, the number of Afghan women setting fire to themselves because they cannot bear their lives has risen dramatically.

<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2437883,00.html">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2437883,00.html</a>

This horrible story is in itself a proof that the NATO involvement in Afgh is nothing more than a photo op-PR campaign by crooked Western politicians. The purpose is not to "bring democracy" to Afgh, but to brainwash people into more military spending.

If the West is really serious, they'll have to put 500,000 infantry in for 20 years, with bases in every village. This is something nobody will do and the whole present idiotic involvement will collapse around the necks of the Afghan people, with the useless and needless loss of lives on all sides.

Like they say, "Faith conquers all", and here is a good example of what faith does when it is permitted to get out of control.

Now let's look at what our own "Dominionists" are planning here in the name of Christ.'

Ed Deak.

Western influence only convinces the women of the middle east that there is hope. Meanwhile nothing happens. In the western world, women are "ordered" to remove their veils. No women are saved by the western invader and infact has made their lives even worse then it is. The artical goes on to reveal that the ideals of the western inducted government are no different then the Taliban. So what now? Is this where the westerners again oust the present government or do they install a totaly western culture. Maybe with enough presence of the western culture, the middle east will surcome to it. Perhaps within a hundred years or so.

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Expect little from life and get more from it.

So what about in BC, TO, Monreal, etc. Wives get killed, beat there too. O thats Ok its Canada.

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27 yrs in the military, 10 tours now and I hope another in Feb

And tell me where we would get a half a million troops for 20 yrs? You people are complain that were there now.

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27 yrs in the military, 10 tours now and I hope another in Feb

It is obvious that no country, no matter how ignorant the politicians, is willing to put any part of half million troops into Afgh. for anything like 20 years.

This is exactly the point and if you know anything about warfare and the military, you should know that the 36,000 motorized NATO troops are a waste of effort and lives, occupying postage stamp sized areas. The Taliban just walk around them, and pick them off one by one. The West still hasn't learned the lesson of Vietnam.

But then as the British would say: "Tell it to the Marines", or in this case to the army, trying to justify its existence and demand for more weapons. Reminds me of the time when a shithead, medal hungry lieutenant ordered about 100 of us into counterattack against a tank army, with rifles and machineguns. By the time we broke out there were only 30 of us left.

After a year, or two, when the whole mess collapses around their necks, as it did for the Soviets with 135,000 troops and ten years of wasted lives and efforts, they'll just pull out and cry crocodile tears over our "sacred dead, who heroically lost their lives to bring freedom and democracy to Afgh".

By the way, are the Americans building that oil pipeline yet?

Ed Deak.

"By the way, are the Americans building that oil pipeline yet?" 
 
The Cocaine Importing Company needs to move more junk yet 
 
re the pipe line 
<a href="http://www.rense.com/general74/natura.htm">http://www.rense.com/general74/natura.htm</a>--- Diogenes said: 
"I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

This is the most educational, revelation of why we are in Afghanistan and why 
we were involved with Iraq and why we have been lied to and so many lives have 
been lost....long, detailed and extremely truthful...get ready for reality.. I can't 
recommend this site and this particular article strongly enough. 
<a href="http://coat.ncf.ca/BMD/SlideShow/bmd1.html">http://coat.ncf.ca/BMD/SlideShow/bmd1.html</a>--- "aaaah and the whisper of thousands of tiny voices became a mighty deafening roar and they called it 'freedom'!"' Canadians Acting Humanely at home & everywhere

In Iraq? There is only 5 Canadians serving as exchange officers. If thats involved Id like to go.

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27 yrs in the military, 10 tours now and I hope another in Feb

In Iraq? Go to the site, read and learn. Yes Canadians said NO to Iraq, NO to BMD
and no to Afghanistan, but that doesn't mean our government agreed with
us....do not take my word for it, because the facts speak for themselves...it is
time for the people to educate themselves!

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"aaaah and the whisper of thousands of tiny voices became a mighty deafening roar and they called it 'freedom'!"' Canadians Acting Humanely at home & everywhere

"Reminds me of the time when a shithead, medal hungry lieutenant ordered about 100 of us into counterattack against a tank army, with rifles and machineguns. By the time we broke out there were only 30 of us left."

I know this is besides the point of the topic, but I can't help but wonder why 100 men offered themselves up for almost certain death instead of shooting that barking "shithead" to death on the spot?

I'm very serious when I ask this question, and I really want to understand the state of mind these people had at the time. I've seen more than enough WWI and II footage of what look like lemmings jumping to a certain death rather than simply walking away and saving themselves, or at least defending themselves from those who expected them to die trying to "take" a piece of dirt.

I know some people get upset when this kind of question is asked, but I'm honestly curious why people seem to willingly let themselves die in what looks to me like an act of meaningless suicide?
Do you go along because if you don't you think that your chances of death at the hands of your own side is greater than if you follow orders and offer yourself up for slaughter by the other side? Is there more to it than that, where perhaps you bought the whole propaganda package hook line and sinker and actually agree to commit suicide if it helps to win the war? Was the stated cause that big a deal? Did the men think that they were defending themselves and their own families and friends from the "enemy" and had no choice but to fight back, even when the orders given meant commiting certain suicide in the process?

Just trying to understand.

<a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20061112103522286">http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20061112103522286</a> 
and the yuppies can't afford to snort and shoot up, then Afghanistan will no longer have a market for the opium poppy, farmers will become farmers, and things there will get back to normal (whatever that means). 
 
Then perhaps the women of Afghanistan wil have a better chance at some sort of egalitarianism..............but of course we are talking decades, and our present collective attention span can be measured in minutes.--- "Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

"After a year, or two, when the whole mess collapses around their necks, as it did for the Soviets with 135,000 troops and ten years of wasted lives and efforts, they'll just pull out and cry crocodile tears over our "sacred dead, who heroically lost their lives to bring freedom and democracy to Afgh."

And you can add to that: after it is abandoned, the country will be more of a mess than it was prior to the war. Just like what happened after the Soviet's pulled out.

Indeed, the ignorance and stupidity of gullible Westerners is a very dangerous thing.

Rearguard..... Our military training started in Grade 1 when we started marching in platoon formation, singing patriotic songs. Began earnestly at 12, by 15 I was a district target champion, by 16 a platoon commander in the cadets, I still have the documents, joined the army at 17, regimental champion, master marksman detailed to a heavy machinegun squad to protect the crew from side inflitrators.

I still have to laugh when I see crime stories in the papers, where 17 year olds beat somebody to death, but their name can not be printed, because they are "children".

We were so brainwashed that we could never even imagine saying "no" to a superior. But there was one case, as we were wandering around the forests, encircled by the Russians. Our MG 42 machieguns were used as light mgs without a stand and as heavy with the stand, which improved the accuracy. The stands weighed a ton and the guys who carried the had to be very strong. By then we nothing to eat for 2 days and one of the stand carriers dumped his load on the ground, when we had a minute rest. The lieutenant ordered him to pick it up, but the guy refused, saying that it was not needed, we could still use the guns. The Lt. pointed his rifle at him and ordered again. The guy blew up and told him to shoot, but if he does the others will shoot him. The Lt. looked around and lowered his rifle. That was the only time I've ever seen an order disobeyed.

Later, when I was sentenced to death, I could have run away and deserted, but it never even came to my mind. But if we'd ever gone into combat again with that shithead Lt. I would have shot him at the first opportunity.

If you can find my address, write to me and I'll send you a story on what it was like in the Hungarian army, straight out of the Stone Ages.

Ed Deak.

What the hell do a few hundred suicidal abused brides have to do with the Afghan mission? That they are a tragedy is without arguement. That they are somehow connected to the mission is asinine. 
 
Suicides, clan killings, revenge killings, wife abuse etc... were there long before we came along, and will be there long after we leave (even if that is 20 years from now). This stuff happens in Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Iran and many other places including Canada (see link below for recent article on domestic abuse in ethnic communities). Hell, this stuff happens in Western communities too... maybe not to the same degree (although that might just be a slant based on how it is reported). 
 
<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Home+Family/061103/U110306U.html">http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Home+Family/061103/U110306U.html</a> 
 
Was Marc Lepine due to the war in Liberia in 1989? Or maybe the end of the cold war? 
 
Was the Dawson school shooting due to our involvement in Afghanistan? 
 
Those questions are just as asinine as linking suicides of abused women in Afghanistan to our mission there. Heads up... there are dumb asses in every country. When we were peacekeeping in Bosnia, were we not in many cases protecting people that had murdered just days before or relatives of people who were murderers? You bet we did. Were we wrong in doing so? I don't think so - we had to stop the killing to let the healing begin. Should wife beaters face justice? Of course. Is it our problem to enforce domestic law and order in Afghanistan? I don't think so. I can only wonder what you loons would be saying if we even suggested that our mission should be expanded to include policing duties. What hypocrites.