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Thanks. The initial testimony (uncut) from Jennings, far more credible than I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQY-ksiuwKU

   

Dr.C: are you still with us?

Check http://www.ae911truth.org/omnitv_interview.htm
from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Richard Gage
in Vancouver last year

The article WTC 7’s OEM Bunker Unmanned on 9/11 written by Jeremy Baker August 15 2008 is also absolutely fascinating.

   

Good interview with Richard Gage.


The silence in here is still deafening, eh gaulois?

   

We say in French "le silence est d'or et la parole est d'argent", i.e. nothing wrong here.

I have no doubt that Dr. C. is struggling with all this nonsense with so many others 'cause it frankly is. So have I, hoping that others would sort this out someday, almost 8 years later now! Few people are indeed able to enter into the dark side of human psyche and keep their sanity. The people that perpetrated this, whoever they are, are clearly very sick mind. Perhaps the sickest ones that mankind has known. If Evil has a modern representation, that is the one!

Logic in the normal sense for understanding their motivations no longer apply when going there. Most people have defense mechanisms that prevents them from entering into this dark zone in order to keep their sanity and carry on "normal" life. Vonegut has clearly overcome that from his Dreisden war experience and has been able to enlighten us a bit in his opus on what most likely happened at some level on 9/11.

   

There is actually a Latin word for it too. "Apophenia".

   

Apophenia is the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data. The term was coined in 1958 by Klaus Conrad, who defined it as the "unmotivated seeing of connections" accompanied by a "specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness".

What are you saying DC?

   

For "silence" or "parole"?

Anyway, "apophenia" sounds much better than paranoia and schizophrenia, i.e. could it mean something like "freeing up one's mind"?

   

Intense events and stress can leave people seeking explanations where none exist. Whether its the sudden loss of a loved one, or planes flying into buildings. People seek to explain things in a rational manner, when sometimes there is no rational explanation.

People (humans) don't do 'random' well and we do out best to try to explain it. I believe this is where the whole 9/11 conspiracy thing comes from. We probably couldn't recreate those days events even if we planned it, but that doesn't mean someone did plan it.

   

Are you kidding me? You are actually suggesting 911 as an unplanned act?

We definitely couldn't recreate the days events but we could do something similar.

Who says that there is no rational explanation for "things" that happen?

Lets see if you can give us a rational explanation for the following north tower collapse photos which were taken from a fixed camera position.

Here, frame 17, we can see a little bit of fire in the top right corner.
By frame 33 the top of the building is moving downward but there is no movement at the bottom smoke line which becomes the middle flame line in frame 41.


On frame 41, we see a bit of fire in the middle as well as the top right corner.

By frame 73 we can see flame spreading around the middle.

In this still, frame 81, we see flame exploding from the middle and the top of the building is moving downward, the rest of the building is not moving, use the mast as your frame of reference.

Here, frame 89, the blast of flame from the middle has increased and the top of the building has fallen even more but there is no collapse below the fire line. This means that the top is collapsing into the fire and the fire is not being extinguished.

Here, frame 97, we have more flame and the top of the building continues to collapse into the fire line and still there is no collapse below the fire line.

What is the rational explanation for the increase in visible flame that we see, keeping in mind that the top of the building has apparently fallen onto the floor that the flame is emitting from?

   

Dr. C.: In regards to "closure" on meaningless events, some people have a harder time than others. Check this one: http://reopen911.info/video/chiesa-et-j ... ienne.html

but...
Milton:

We also say "One can take a horse to water but one can't force it to drink"

   

"It is not possible to awaken someone who is pretending to be asleep."
-- Navajo proverb

   

Coming Saturday, 9pm.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/e ... vs-science

   

Oh goody, a new round, or is it the same old refuted drivel, of pseudo tests replete with secret test data presented by the new minions of the ministry of truth.

   

That's for another demonstration of what I've been saying for Years, Milton.

The show won't air for two days, yet you are already trying to 'disprove' it by 'Appeal from Authority'. Shows like this exist because 'truthers' are so far dissociated from reality, they have to 'disprove' the theory (!) just to try to even be in your ballpark.

And National Geographic is now part of the 'Ministry of Truth'. That's funny!

   

Milton,

You're my hero. Maybe you should go to this forum and help them see the light

http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64

   

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