Why Do People Hate Immigration?

Written By: wasjod
Date: 2006-04-11 10:53:00
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End the Immigration War and Open the Borders

by Jacob G. Hornberger, November 1998

With much fanfare, the federal government recently announced it had smashed the largest ever alien-smuggling ring, which allegedly brought thousands of Indians and other foreigners into the United States for $20,000 a head. In announcing the results of the yearlong operation, code-named "Operation Seek and Keep," Attorney General Janet Reno declared: "Let all those who flout the nation's immigration laws be warned: We plan to take swift and decisive action against you."

To match the warlike rhetoric, the feds boasted of new encroachments on civil liberties. In the crackdown, the Immigration and Naturalization Service used new authority, granted under the 1996 immigration law, to intercept electronic communications, monitoring 35,000-plus calls. Also, for the first time, federal prosecutors used money-laundering statutes to smash an alien smuggling operation and seize assets.

Apparently, all's fair when it comes to keeping foreigners out of the United States. In the immigration war, rights get trampled all the time. Consider: INS agents recently stopped and questioned Hispanics leaving a Catholic church in Detroit. Those who couldn't produce the right documents were arrested.

As casualties of the immigration war, they were lucky. In California recently, agents of the U.S. Border Patrol shot and killed two men trying to enter the United States illegally from Mexico. The violent confrontation was one of many that have taken place since the feds initiated Operation Gatekeeper, a massive U.S. immigration crackdown along the U.S.-Mexican border, four years ago.

<a href="http://www.fff.org/comment/ed1198a.asp">http://www.fff.org/comment/ed1198a.asp</a>

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Further Resources:

<a href="http://www.fff.org/comment/com0603i.asp">http://www.fff.org/comment/com0603i.asp</a>

<a href="http://www.cato.org/dailys/4-22-97.html">http://www.cato.org/dailys/4-22-97.html</a>

<a href="http://reason.com/9810/fe.miller.shtml">http://reason.com/9810/fe.miller.shtml</a>

<a href="http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/hrcr/mj2001.html">http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/hrcr/mj2001.html</a>

<a href="http://www.isil.org/resources/libertydocs/immigration-open.html">http://www.isil.org/resources/libertydocs/immigration-open.html</a>

<a href="http://www.libertyhaven.com/politicsandcurrentevents/immigration/whatabout.shtml">http://www.libertyhaven.com/politicsandcurrentevents/immigration/whatabout.shtml</a>

<a href="http://reason.com/9311/fe.garvin.shtml">http://reason.com/9311/fe.garvin.shtml</a>

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"Without immigrants our individual tax burden will skyrocket, and I am sure no Canadian wants that."

Prove it.

I submit that you're basing your statement on little more than wishful thinking and scewed data.

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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

Spare us your libertarian propagandist bull s**t. Jacob G. Hornberger is some American Libertarian nut like all libertarians are. He belongs to some U.S. based organization called the Future of Freedom Foundation. Freedom meaning the individual’s right to do whatever the hell he or she wants and screw you if you don’t like it. Such freedoms include the right to work for whatever wage or salary the market dictates even if such an income puts you below the poverty line. You have the freedom to abuse the environment. You have the freedom to exploit and be exploited. It’s better to exploit which is why libertarians love unrestricted and unfettered immigration. Libertarians salivate at the idea of exploiting cheap imported labour because it is the libertarian’s freedom to do so and get rich by doing it. They love cheap labour because it allows them to buy their goods and services at lower prices and therefore buy more things. Libertarians do not care about individuals as a group. They only care about themselves which is why libertarian rants in favour of immigration should be taken with extreme caution. They do not care about immigrants as people but they do care about how immigration may enhance the life of the libertarian. Bear in mind it was government intervention during the industrial revolution that aided the living standards the average worker. Before that they lived terrible lives at the hands of capitalist monsters waving the flag of liberation ideals.

Some people hate immigration and Canada’s current immigration policy deserves it. It has primarily ruined the lives of many immigrants, displaced many Canadians by the influx of foreign people into once familiar communities, threatens valuable green spaces in and around our major urban centers, made the labour market more difficult for the most vulnerable of Canadians, and has been so watered down it now devalues and insults Canadian citizenship and left our borders open to wide spread abuse and fraud. All this while Canadians pay $2 to $4 billion dollars a year to service it, politicians’ campaign on it to get elected, and while our health care and education system suffer financial short falls.

Some immigration is good. Canada’s current immigration policy is not and it better change now ‘less the changes it brings become irreversible.

Nice rant against freedom. If you want your current big government takes care of everyone and saves them from the evil capitalist then you need to go over to Iraq, Iran, Syria etc. and start killing more Muslims so you can continue to fund your "lifestyle." Money is not going to hang around those who refuse to open up their countries. When your job is outsourced to a "developing," country maybe you will have a change of attitude. Change or you will pay the price, welcome to the global economy, you want $2 jeans then suck it up. When your mommy and daddy were young a lot of the world was still in the stone age, and they could afford to have government program after government program, now that they are retired or dead my generation has to pay taxes and there ain't a lot of us out there. My tax dollar is now ripped apart by more and more programs that supposedly help people. The only people they help are government burecrats. At some point it is going to give. It has given for me. I have become a member of the Free State Project. I can't wait until Stockwell Day makes you carry around an ID card to prove to the filth that you are who you say you are and all your crying to the government to help you brings you a nice strong facist government. 
 
The main reason corporations have so much power is because the government brings in regulation after regulation that kills any hope of competition. Without government help via subsidies (WalMart got over $1 billion in the US) most corporations would not exist because like government as soon as they get to big they become piles of crap. Customer service goes down hill. Ever use Telus? What about Ford(more of my tax dollars wasted)? Try calling Direct Energy to get your dead fathers gas shut off. It took my brother and I two months and that was after they got his death certificate and a copy of the will. If the energy market had been totally deregulated and zoning laws abandoned, then our father would have had solar panels on his house to provide electricity and heat. As it is, one company that is buddy buddy with the government gets to have all the pie. 
 
You want a better life? Aim for all decisions to be made as locally as possible. I recommend that you change now or end up having this change forced upon you as resources become more and more scarce. If you insist on making people pay income tax then have that tax go directly to the municipality and not the feds. Soon your food, fuel and energy are going to have to be found locally or you will have none. I find it disgusting that you demand ever cheaper fruit in the middle of winter picked by low paid workers in Chile but at the same time you don't want them to have the freedom to come here. You want the freedom to have dirt cheap goods and it is okay if they are paid squat in another country but for some reason it is evil if they are paid low wages in Canada. You are a hypocrite. 
 
I have both UK and Canadian citizenship, it allows me to work in numerous countries. What do I do? I go where the money is, my choice but I don't cry when I can't find a nice cushy government job in buttfuck Nova Scotia. You do not have a right to a job, you must earn it and if you are not willing to earn it make like a duck and flock off. Soon, people such as myself who work, are going to refuse to pay for your free ride, what then? Good luck. 
 
<a href="http://www.freestateproject.org/">http://www.freestateproject.org/</a> 
--- My freedom is more important than your great idea. 
– Anonymous

Big Man, Anonymous. Don't have the courage to sign your own garbage, eh?

I do not hate immigration, and your quite right, our own growth rate is negative, so we need immigration to grow.

I take issue with certain aspects of what immigration does and what we feel we must do. For example, I find that in some cases, we take religious and cultural freedoms a bit too far. I am more of a melting-pot fan, while allowing some freedoms specific to each religion and culture.

Another aspect I disagree with is the ability for a very nasty criminal to claim refugee status or some other protection and be allowed to stay in Canada to hide from the law in their own country. The obvious loophole they are exploiting is ridiculous, and they should be sent home, death penalty waiting or not.

I also despise the current state of globalization. We simply should not buy products produced by child slaves in China, period. There needs to be far more regulations put on the export of cheap labour and the relocating of North American factories to countries with no labour laws and huge tax savings.

In regards to buying cheap crap from China, I totally agree, of course it should not be forced on people but we have to start doing as much as possible locally. After getting my rant of my chest here is another way of looking about immigration for all the readers to think about.

Illegal immigrants are exploited because they're afraid to speak out against evil employers for fear they'll be deported.

Here's a thought experiment: What would happen to entry level wages if all illegal immigrants here were given the right to work?

If you want to support low-wage workers, you should support legalizing the immigrants that are here.

Two things are making wages stagnant for people with less than a college education:

1. Illegal workers who are willing to work for below-market wages because they're afraid to be deported.
2. Manufacturing jobs being outsourced to countries with more cheap labor than we have here.

Legalize immigration and both factors go away.

One final argument, from a morality standpoint in case you're worried about immigrants causing undue burden on schools/welfare/etc:

Why do people born here deserve our schools/welfare/etc more than somebody born somewhere else? Isn't it awfully selfish to keep our prosperity and freedom to just the people who had the luck to be born here (or win the immigration lottery)?

What happens when the sea rises a few metres? We can take people now when both sides are friends or we can be forced to take them when 200 million of them are waiting in container ships off our shores. This also allows them to send money home which may help educate and stop environmentally degrading practices.

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My freedom is more important than your great idea.
– Anonymous

This is for "The Saint," do they have a sense of humour?

Spare us your socialist propagandist bull s**t. You are some Canadian socialist nut like all socialists are. You belong to some Canadian based organization called the New Democratic Party. "Democracy" meaning a politician has the right to do whatever the hell he or she wants to you and screw you if you don’t like it. Such lack of freedoms include the right to work for whatever salary you want to. You have no right to live in your environment without their regulatory approval and license. You have the freedom to be exploited by government. It’s better to exploit which is why socialists love unrestricted and unfettered bureaucracy. Socialists salivate at the idea of exploiting other people's labour because it is the socialist's dream to tax the productive to pay for their own indolence. They love big government because it allows them to buy their goods and services with other people's money, without working, and buy more things. Socialists do not care about individuals, only groups (and only then to the extent that those groups support their indolent big government agenda). They only care about themselves, which is why socialist rants in favour of "the poor" should be taken with extreme caution. They do not care about the poor as people but they do care about how poverty may enhance their own incomes as bureaucrats or their ability to get lots of benefits for themselves at the cost of others. Bear in mind it was government intervention during the industrial revolution that brought on the Great Depression. Before that, most people were able to earn a decent wage without high taxes, could afford medical care on their own, and were more upwardly mobile. Not to mention that they lived lives as they chose, rather than as socialists dictated through the force of law.

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My freedom is more important than your great idea.
– Anonymous

Sgt_shockNAwe, please do not insult anyone else here. Posturing and chest-thumping have no place in a civilised conversation; if you have points to make, let them stand on their own merit.

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"Beer Garden'? You mean, a real garden of beer? I thought they only had those in Canada!" --Largo

Chasing the elusive ‘better life’, economics, banks et al. 
 
 
The main mark of modern governments is that we do not know who governs, de facto any more than de jure. We see the politician and not his backer; still less the backer of the backer; or, what is more important of all, the banker of the backer. Throned above all, in a manner without parallel in all the past, is the veiled prophet of finance, swaying all men living by a sort of magic. - G. K. Chesterton 
 
 
Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit, and, with a flick of the pen, they will create enough money to buy it all back again. Take this power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for then this world would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit. - Lord Stamp, a Director of the Bank of England, in a speech in 1940 
 
 
<a href="http://www.cis.org/articles/1998/back298.html">http://www.cis.org/articles/1998/back298.html</a> 
 
<a href="http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0404nobabies.html">http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0404nobabies.html</a> 
 
<a href="http://eco.gn.apc.org/Population/immigration.html">http://eco.gn.apc.org/Population/immigration.html</a> 
 
<a href="http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/why_emigrate.htm">http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/why_emigrate.htm</a> 
 
What an incredible concept! Move to better… 
And what a lot of hooey too! 
 
Libertarianism, Anarchy (in the sense of no rulers) never seem to take in to account who the controllers of to-day are: BANKERS!!!! 
 
<a href="http://www.themoneymasters.com/presiden.htm">http://www.themoneymasters.com/presiden.htm</a> 
 
 
<a href="http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/1147.cfm">http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/1147.cfm</a> 
 
If you are not “getting “this… it is ALL about money 
That medium of exchange that “allows” us to “buy” stuff. 
“Money” has been foisted upon the world by these guys, 
 
<a href="http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/04/1814452.php">http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/04/1814452.php</a> 
 
and “economics” that bogus “science” Ed Deake reminds us of so often ( thank you Ed) has in all likelihood been financed by, guess who? 
BANKSTERS! 
All the political ideologies invented and to be invented unless they grasp this simple fact of the who is in control and at the head of it all will fall short! 
 
--- Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding. 
Ezra Pound 
The only good is knowledge...

Here we go with the conspiracy theories.

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My freedom is more important than your great idea.
– Anonymous

"Here we go with the conspiracy theories.
WE?????
Do you have a rat in your pocket that allows you to claim "we"?
and kindly explain what you believe to be a theory

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Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.
Ezra Pound
The only good is knowledge...

All things human, that are beyond what you personally think, involving 2 or more people, are, by definition, conspiracies.

I believe the term was invented by the Warren Commission, in an effort to marginalize legitimate public inquiry into the J.F.K. assassination.

The Warren Commission, of course, being a conspiracy of chosen people who were charged with investigating the assassination.

Your kidding, right? Have you been reading this thread?

Here are some choice words that I was responding to, Jesse, o champion of proper board etiquette:

"Spare us your libertarian propagandist bull s**t"
"screw you if you don’t like it"
"You are a hypocrite."
"make like a duck and flock off"

Yet I get flak from you for calling it.

I think the right wing U.K. fruit pickers association is missing one of their members in wasjod.
It was the banks that caused the depression in the thirties. If you look at the links diogenes provided it gives clear evidence that the banks were in control.

Wage controls are a GOOD thing to stave off urban decay and make a better life for us all. Social programs are for everyone by providing needs to people and thus cutting down on crime. We try to keep down on the shanty towns springing up all over the world. Yes of course your tax dollar is abused somewhat but there's always Chile to live in. In Chile you can be abused full time and work for peanuts. I guess thats why Chileans want to come to this socialist jungle we call Canada. I don't complain about taxes in this country but I try to get them changed by writing my M.P. or M.L.A. I'm a socialist, i'm well off, but I help others. Try making Canada the community you want to live in. Not just a flop house in the current country you live in with a gun under your pillow and one eye on the door while clutching your entire $2.00 per hour paycheck..