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Comic Book Industry in Trouble...

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FieryVulpine @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:53 am

The current COVID-19 pandemic is hammering the industry hard as the only distributor (Diamond) shut down, leaving retailers and the industry as a whole in a lurch. It does not help that many of the so-called "professionals" in the industry possess a sense of massive sense entitlement and spit on the fans without recognizing that the fans are also costumers who can their money elsewhere. Adding to this is that the aforementioned retailers take the brunt of damage as they are the ones stuck with books they cannot sell nor return to the publishers as they could in decades past. Now that COVID-19 has essentially put the industry on indefinite hiatus, we may be seeing even more retailers fold in the couple of months.



This could also be attributed to an obsolete business model as the similar format of manga imported from Japan has been doing much better in sales. From what I hear the manga One Piece has sold more manga in twenty years than Superman or Batman in their entire 80+ publication history. It is disheartening to hear regardless as the vast majority of of retailers are small businesses. In my case, it is Redd Skull Comics in Calgary and I consider the proprietor and the staff friends so I've been trying to buy trade paperbacks via their curbside pick-up to support the store any way I can.

I'd like to hear some other takes from other fans on the forum as I prefer talking about comics to talking politics.

   



DrCaleb @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:02 am

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
I'd like to hear some other takes from other fans on the forum as I prefer talking about comics to talking politics.


It's been a long time since I bought a comic, but I think I still have an account at Warp One in Edmonton. I loved the DC's darker genre; Sandman, Mr.E, Hellblazer. But also Marvels X-Men, Deathlok, all the Punisher books, even the Toxic Avenger!

I have boxes full of them. I love books in general, but comics bring art into the imagination as well. I stopped collecting them some 25+ years ago because they kept branching off the titles I collected so that a $20 a week habit turned into a $50 a week, then $90 a week habit. That was unsustainable for a University guy working mids just to keep up with tuition. I still have X-Men #1, in like 7 different formats and covers. And the Death of Superman, unopened. Ahh, the good old days.

And, don't they do digital distribution now? I know it's not the same as having a book in your hands, but at least you can follow the story.

   



raydan @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:18 am

Adapt or die...

   



FieryVulpine @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:19 am

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
It's been a long time since I bought a comic, but I think I still have an account at Warp One in Edmonton. I loved the DC's darker genre; Sandman, Mr.E, Hellblazer. But also Marvels X-Men, Deathlok, all the Punisher books, even the Toxic Avenger!

I have boxes full of them. I love books in general, but comics bring art into the imagination as well. I stopped collecting them some 25+ years ago because they kept branching off the titles I collected so that a $20 a week habit turned into a $50 a week, then $90 a week habit. That was unsustainable for a University guy working mids just to keep up with tuition. I still have X-Men #1, in like 7 different formats and covers. And the Death of Superman, unopened. Ahh, the good old days.

Yeah, individual issues cost $3.99 USD now and with the exchange rate it is almost $6 Canadian. The quality often does not match the price either as Marvel was promoting a new incarnation of the New Warriors with characters called (I kid you not) Snowflake and Safe Space, which angered both SJW and Anti-SJW fans.

On the subject of Sandman, Dream and Death still make sporadic appearances in DC Comics. The latest was Dream playing a supporting role in Dark Knight: Metal three years ago.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
And, don't they do digital distribution now? I know it's not the same as having a book in your hands, but at least you can follow the story.

The Big Two have been doing digital-first on certain titles for years (DC's Batman Beyond 2.0 and Injustice being two examples. Marvel has ordered pencils down on their May and June releases to my knowledge and DC's looking into other distribution models.

   



DrCaleb @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:29 am

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
Yeah, individual issues cost $3.99 USD now and with the exchange rate it is almost $6 Canadian.


8O

I think I started at the 75 cent range, and ended up with the premium titles at $2.50. $6 is highway robbery!

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
The quality often does not match the price either


Yea, there were tiers back then too. Regular titles on newsprint with meh ink (Uncanny X-man, Archie). Premium titles for 25% more, with the nice paper, better ink, better stories. (Punisher War Journal, Sandman)

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
as Marvel was promoting a new incarnation of the New Warriors with characters called (I kid you not) Snowflake and Safe Space, which angered both SJW and Anti-SJW fans.


Well then they deserve to fold. What are they thinking? Those are attitudes, not superpowers. Can 'Snowflake' stop an alien invasion? Fuuuuuu...

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
On the subject of Sandman, Dream and Death still make sporadic appearances in DC Comics. The latest was Dream playing a supporting role in Dark Knight: Metal three years ago.


That is just wrong. Morpheus is a frikken god, not a sidekick.

The 'Death' miniseries was pretty awesome back in the day. Too bad where it ended up.

   



Thanos @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:43 am

All the comic companies have their own subscription services, where if you join up you can read pretty much every issue of anything they've put in their online archive, which will probably kill off the stores in due time anyway. Just like with most magazines, printed monthly comics will decline and become a thing of the past.

I read my things on some free sites online that are somehow getting away with it, like an old-school Napster for comic books. Maybe that's nasty on my part but I figure with the money I spent in the stores over the course of my life that I should be allowed to do this. And single-issue sales have declined a lot over the last decade (or more) as the main income for the stores. That's why the stores are much more diverse now in the merchandise they carry, especially with the tradeback and hardback story compilations. Lots of people specifically wait for a compilation because they just don't have the time, interest, or money to be chasing down every single issue in a long & complicated story. And, as mentioned already, manga is a huge seller for them now. Any store that carries enough other merch to balance out the lack of new issues for the next several months should make it through once they're allowed to re-open.

Gotta consider that every comic book store is a potential hotbed for Covid given that every single one I've ever shopped at in my life time has been crammed to the gills with too many customers next to each other in narrow aisles. No one should be in a rush to go into one of those stores for a while because of that.

   



herbie @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:17 pm

Died when the stories weren't worth 15c

   



Thanos @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:45 pm

Be quiet, boomer. 8)

   



CDN_PATRIOT @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:18 pm

As a long-time comic book fan and collector, I have noticed the following issues with the comic book industry in the 30 years I have been reading/collecting/buying/obsessing with/over comic books and such:

- Too many reboots (DC and Marvel have both rebooted their universes repeatedly)
- Fewer original ideas
- Retooling classic characters over and over when they don't need it
- Comic book companies telling us what we want to read instead of listening to their fans
- Price hikes for a single comic book
- Politics and real life entering into the comic book realm, whether we like it or not
(this pertains to political correctness, changing characters and introducing new ones
to reflect special interest and minority groups)

I've been a fan of DC and Marvel since I was eight years old, and let me just say that the story lines and characters have devolved a hell of a lot. DC reboots their universe so often, it's become pointless to follow along anymore, while Marvel has introduced so many goddamn characters to their own universe, that most of us can't keep up.

I'm also sick and tired of reality infringing on comic books. (Note: I have nothing personal against the groups I am about to mention)How many LGBTQ2S12345EIEIO characters do we need? How many disabled characters do we need? The whole point of comic books is to take us away from reality, and help us to imagine we are those awesome heroes that are already established, saving the world, and giving us a lesson in humanity in the process.

I pretty much don't collect any comics made after the year 2000, with the exception of an ANT-MAN I picked up that coincided with the movie coming out a while back. I prefer Silver, Bronze, and Copper age comics, and my collection reflects that.

The only way the comic book industry will survive is if the major comic book companies go back to the basics, stop all the nonsense I mentioned, and give us back our heroes in their pure form that we love so much. They need to listen to their fans, now more than ever.

I apologize for the length of this post, but comic books are a passion.

-J.

   



herbie @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:20 pm

Thanos Thanos:
Be quiet, boomer. 8)

Call it Ben Gay colouring, fits my comic book time! :D

   



Thanos @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:23 pm

Scares me to think about how many of those 20-cent issues I used as colouring books way back when in the early 1970's considering that their value now would be about 20/30/40 dollars each. And I had a lot of them too. 8O

   



herbie @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:50 pm

Most valuable regret was Mom tossing out my National Lampoon mag with the "If Ted Kennedy drove a VW he'd be President!(VW bug floating in water)" ad in it. I gather they were forced by the Court to round them all up and they're valuable these days.
The original SpiderMan and Fantasic Four - well who'd ever have thought they'd be worth shit back then!
When I was like 10 I asked my aunt to bring me back a comic book from every country she visited in Europe. I still have Nembo Kid (Superman in Italy), Le Phantome and a couple others somewhere.

   



Thanos @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:26 pm

I like to say that I was able to sell my collection of Walking Dead #1 thru to 130-ish for $1200. It sounds like a decent price until I mention that I had to add in several thousand other comics that were worth absolutely nothing just to get rid of them. :lol:

Good riddance though. I feel a lot of regret for buying any of them at all after high school, especially since the vast, vast majority of them got read once then filed away in a plastic bag to be essentially forgotten altogether. Too much money spent, too much space taken up, and too much time given to them that should have been used on much more important things. Like drinking, for example. Or porn. 8)

   



FieryVulpine @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:26 pm

Thanos Thanos:
Gotta consider that every comic book store is a potential hotbed for Covid given that every single one I've ever shopped at in my life time has been crammed to the gills with too many customers next to each other in narrow aisles. No one should be in a rush to go into one of those stores for a while because of that.

There are some workarounds for that like the aforementioned curbside service. I send an e-mail to my Comic Book Guy (who's nothing like the Simpsons character) to ask if he has a trade in stock, he sends an invoice, I send him the money via Interac, and arrange a time for pickup.

As to the problems of the industry as a whole. It was fairly obvious that the current business model wasn't working, but the industry professionals were insulated from worst of it because it was the retailers that assume the risk. Under the direct market the retailers buy the stock and cannot send unsold books to the publisher for a refund as was the case back in the newsstand era. Marvel even resorted to scummy tactics like over shipping and even sending issues retailers didn't order at their expense. Now that Diamond isn't shipping comics and retailers looking at a mass extinction event, it is only now the publishers are saying, "oh, shit!" because they have no other outlets for their wares.

Like you said, some retailers have adapted by branching out. My old stomping grounds of Showcase Comics in Lethbridge also deals in gaming (card/war/board games, D&D, etc.) and RC. However, many probably will not survive. Law of the jungle I guess. :|

   



FieryVulpine @ Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:31 pm

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
That is just wrong. Morpheus is a frikken god, not a sidekick.

The 'Death' miniseries was pretty awesome back in the day. Too bad where it ended up.

Morpheus died in at the conclusion of his series with Daniel Hall (grandson of the Golden Age Hawkman) taking the mantle of Dream.

Dream wasn't so much a sidekick as he sent Batman and Superman to the place where they find the means to stop an army of evil alternate Batmen from the Dark Multiverse. It's a dense read, but it has Batman riding a freaking dinosaur. That counts for something, right?

   



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