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Dayseed @ Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:23 pm

Okay, this is a pretty big nerd topic, but one that deserves mention nonetheless.

I was watching Fanboys on the weekend when I thought that it was odd that the Jedis learned sword-fighting techniques.

Think about it. When are they trained for this? Who the hell did they plan on sword-battling? In the first few movies, the Sith are presumed dead or a legend. Every other puss-hole in the galaxy uses blasters, so being trained to deflect laser blasts make sense. Shit, it's the first thing Obi-Wan teaches Luke on the Millenium Falcon while they're flying through space.

But nobody else uses swords. Even if Dipshittleon the Space Pirate had a sword, it wouldn't be a lightsabre since Jedis make them to complete their training. The Jedis wouldn't need to learn how to fight him, they could chop through whatever sword he did muster and slice him like Thanksgiving dinner.

Think about Lumberjack school. They're taught how to use an axe; chopping, splitting wood with a variety of techniques and how to carry it. But they're not taught how to fucking axe-battle other axes because nobody else in the forest is going to come at them with an axe! Ditto the Jedis.

If nobody else in the universe can engage in swordplay with them, there's no need to teach them how to duel with them so Darth Maul, who could anticipate swordplay, should have ginsued Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan in 30 seconds flat.

It's a glaring mistake. Maybe not the same as the fatal flaw Citizen Kane has, but a big ol' one.

   



CanadianJeff @ Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:30 pm

Honestly I don't see the flaw. They may have thought that the Sith were extinct but the biggest reason why you would continue to train with the lightsaber is that the Jedi were very comfortable teaching people how to connect to the force THROUGH the abilities of learning how to sword fight.

When you find a good method of teaching you don't abandon it. They wanted not to teach the kids how to fight but how to use the force. They just used the one method they knew worked.

   



EyeBrock @ Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:14 pm

Dayseed Dayseed:
Okay, this is a pretty big nerd topic, but one that deserves mention nonetheless.

I was watching Fanboys on the weekend when I thought that it was odd that the Jedis learned sword-fighting techniques.

Think about it. When are they trained for this? Who the hell did they plan on sword-battling? In the first few movies, the Sith are presumed dead or a legend. Every other puss-hole in the galaxy uses blasters, so being trained to deflect laser blasts make sense. Shit, it's the first thing Obi-Wan teaches Luke on the Millenium Falcon while they're flying through space.

But nobody else uses swords. Even if Dipshittleon the Space Pirate had a sword, it wouldn't be a lightsabre since Jedis make them to complete their training. The Jedis wouldn't need to learn how to fight him, they could chop through whatever sword he did muster and slice him like Thanksgiving dinner.

Think about Lumberjack school. They're taught how to use an axe; chopping, splitting wood with a variety of techniques and how to carry it. But they're not taught how to fucking axe-battle other axes because nobody else in the forest is going to come at them with an axe! Ditto the Jedis.

If nobody else in the universe can engage in swordplay with them, there's no need to teach them how to duel with them so Darth Maul, who could anticipate swordplay, should have ginsued Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan in 30 seconds flat.

It's a glaring mistake. Maybe not the same as the fatal flaw Citizen Kane has, but a big ol' one.


It's discipline mate. Like Tai Chi et al. Plus its all pretend!

   



Tricks @ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:00 pm

Holy shit. A topic I might know more about than Dayseed, and it's completely useless.
There is one main flaw in your argument:

Dayseed Dayseed:
But nobody else uses swords. Even if Dipshittleon the Space Pirate had a sword, it wouldn't be a lightsabre since Jedis make them to complete their training. The Jedis wouldn't need to learn how to fight him, they could chop through whatever sword he did muster and slice him like Thanksgiving dinner.

Few things.
Vibroblades/swords- Can't be cut by lightsabres
Weapons such as a laser whip, see Jedi Apprentice - The Deadly Hunter.
Vibroaxes

The lightsabre has been around so long that people, specifically those not fans of Jedis, have developed weapons themselves that can't just be hacked through.

Also, just because the sith are extinct doesn't mean one cannot fall. Qui-Gon's apprentice fell to the dark side and Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan battled him many times.

Finally, if you look at after Return of the Jedi, all Sith should be gone, no more Emperor, no more Vader, no Sith left. But Jedi still fall and resurrect the Sith Order.

   



BluesBud @ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:26 pm

The sword the robes, it is all Aikido. A martial art, philosophy, and religion leading to a natural balance with nature mind and body. (The Force?)

   



Scape @ Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:21 am



Still cracks me up...

   



Bacardi4206 @ Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:12 pm

Light sabers are reliable, it makes perfect sense. If you versus it against a gun, well the gun cannot simply win as the light saber can just deflect the attack. Can a gun do the same? The light saber has so much practicle uses, if you watch the movies it's basicly a door opener. Protects you against lasers and infact can cut people up like a knife on butter. What's not to love?

   



Guy_Fawkes @ Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:30 pm

I dont know why they just didnt use flame thowers against the jedi... :twisted:

   



PublicAnimalNo9 @ Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:04 pm

I'm kinda disturbed that this was the ONLY flaw you could find in Star Wars [B-o]

   



CanadianJeff @ Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:26 pm

Isn't that the truth. I'd love to call total stupidity for example on the fact that a council of the most powerful Jedi in history couldn't sense that Palpatine was a Sith Lord despite him being in the same building and planet dozens of times and spying on him besides.

In the original trilogy Luke easily senses Vadar a number of times and Vadar senses both Luke and Obi-Wan without much effort. Yet a council of Jedi can't sense one of the largest Sith out there.

It's not like this is a small plot point either.

Common!

   



DrCaleb @ Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:32 am

Or, that Luke was perfect for Jedi training by Yoda, but Yoda wouldn't train Anakin because he was too old.

Slight flaw there, IMHO.

   



BeaverFever @ Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:54 pm

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Or, that Luke was perfect for Jedi training by Yoda, but Yoda wouldn't train Anakin because he was too old.

Slight flaw there, IMHO.


I'm pretty sure Yoda also said Luke was too old at first.

   



CanadianJeff @ Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:57 pm

He did. Obi-Wan talked Yoda into training Luke via the force.

   



BluesBud @ Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:02 pm

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Or, that Luke was perfect for Jedi training by Yoda, but Yoda wouldn't train Anakin because he was too old.

Slight flaw there, IMHO.
Age or not,Yoda had no choice. Luke was "the last hope" to beat the Sith. (even though there is an other)

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:49 pm

Well, they still teach cutlass and saber fencing at the US Naval Academy and it is highly unlikely that anyone will need to use a cutlass to repel boarders. Still, it's a skill and, more importantly, a mental discipline that can be useful in other situations.

   



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