Actor Donald Sutherland: I'm Canadian and deserve to vote
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Brenda Brenda:
Hi, I am Brenda, I am Dutch and live and pay taxes in Canada. I cannot vote in Canada.
I can vote in the Netherlands.
Read Khar's post. It explains quite clearly why Sutherland and other ex-pats can't vote.
For example, come time to vote, how do you differentiate between a genuine ex-pat and some worthless plastic Canadian without resorting to "racial profiling"?
I think Sutherland meets the criteria to vote; he is a citizen, he owns property in Canada, and he pays taxes in Canada. Brenda is not a citizen, nor does she choose to be. Sutherland
chooses to remain a Canadian citizen.
Khars' and the Governments point about whether a voter is 'engaged' enough while living outside Canada I think it moot. How is voter turnout for those living inside Canada? 60%? So there is no guarantee that living inside Canada means the voter is engaged or not. Nor do I think that living outside Canada disinterests one from following Canadian Politics.
I don't entirely disagree with you but by the same token, look at a guy like Iggy. Dude was out of the country for 30+ years, maybe came back for a quick visit from time to time who knows, and yet he would somehow retain the right to vote in a federal election? He might have been interested in and followed Canadian politics while he was abroad for decades but him NOT having to live daily with the outcome/consequences of the election while being allowed to take part in said vote is kind'a bullshit.
Then there are the dual citizens who've spent a lot of time not living in Canada. How does one know where their loyalties really lay? Should some Tamil that lived here just long enough to gain citizenship before absconding back to Sri Lanka be allowed to vote?
If someone is an ex-pat and can show that they do indeed own not just property but their primary residence is still in Canada, they pay taxes to Canada(over and above property taxes of course) and they've made regular appearances in country then yes, they should be permitted to vote.
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
If someone is an ex-pat and can show that they do indeed own not just property but their primary residence is still in Canada, they pay taxes to Canada(over and above property taxes of course) and they've made regular appearances in country then yes, they should be permitted to vote.
Meeting your definition, they wouldn't be ex-pats, they would be residents of Canada.
martin14 martin14:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
If someone is an ex-pat and can show that they do indeed own not just property but their primary residence is still in Canada, they pay taxes to Canada(over and above property taxes of course) and they've made regular appearances in country then yes, they should be permitted to vote.
Meeting your definition, they wouldn't be ex-pats, they would be residents of Canada.
Ok martin, let me ask you this. Outside of the obvious like military personnel and such, why do you think
you should get to help decide the economic and social direction of Canada when what happens has far less, if any affect on your daily life than for those who maintain ties here beyond family and a passport?
I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to vote necessarily, but I'd like to hear a logical reason beyond the simple fact you have a piece of paper that says you were born here.
Remember Harperism's ads that explained Ignatieff was not suitable for he spent time out side of Canada and worked , dred the thought ,as a professor at Harvard.
Whats wrong with this guy as opposed to the Harper.
look at this guy and tell me what is wrong with working outside of Canada.
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/about/facul ... -ignatieff
This concept that if your are Canadian and live outside of Canada you have less rights in the quality of life you choose for your country is lost on me.
Voting, the right ,that governments use to spread democracy in the world, and kill millions to enact it.
And yet, if you decide to work and live somewhere else you are barred from the democratic right to vote.
If Harper had any real love for anything other than the office he lusts for he would do the right thing and abolish this anti democratic law.
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Ok martin, let me ask you this. Outside of the obvious like military personnel and such, why do you think you should get to help decide the economic and social direction of Canada when what happens has far less, if any affect on your daily life than for those who maintain ties here beyond family and a passport?
I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to vote necessarily, but I'd like to hear a logical reason beyond the simple fact you have a piece of paper that says you were born here.
The fact your a Canadain is all that is necessary.
If I choose to remain a citizen anything that happens here effects you, even if I took that mars mission.
Real citizens and real patriots want the best for their country no matter where they dwell.
The fact this is lost on you screams to me that you would actually want another four years more of hundreds of millions dollars spent on action ads to con you.
Anything that happens in Canada effects a true Patriot no matter where they live.
But Harperites don't really get that as per the ads against Ignatieff.
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
martin14 martin14:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
If someone is an ex-pat and can show that they do indeed own not just property but their primary residence is still in Canada, they pay taxes to Canada(over and above property taxes of course) and they've made regular appearances in country then yes, they should be permitted to vote.
Meeting your definition, they wouldn't be ex-pats, they would be residents of Canada.
Ok martin, let me ask you this. Outside of the obvious like military personnel and such,
why do you think you should get to help decide the economic and social direction of Canada when what happens has far less, if any affect on your daily life than for those who maintain ties here beyond family and a passport?
I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to vote necessarily, but I'd like to hear a logical reason beyond the simple fact you have a piece of paper that says you were born here.
The answer is:
I don't.Gotta be careful sometimes.

I don't have a problem with not being able to vote while I'm on the road.
I don't have a problem with Brenda not being able to vote while she refuses to take citizenship. I have the same in Slovakia, citizens only.
While I can applaud Sutherland's refusal to take a dual citizenship; same as me, I could have a dual tomorrow, but I won't, not being resident in Canada should disqualify you from voting. Him using the U.S. as an example is really weak, simply because the U.S. now forces every citizen to file a tax return, resident or not.
I have an acquaintance here who has been out of the US for 30 years now, she has to register herself with the IRS.
It is the only country in the world to do it, so they are not the example to use.
Donald could turn around at any moment, claim his residence and Canadian assets as primary, declare himself to be a resident of Canada, file a Canadian tax return, and everything would be fine; he could vote.
But he doesn't and there is a reason for it of course.
It's just more Lieberal bullshit, they are pulling out all the stops this time.
martin14 martin14:
Donald could turn around at any moment, claim his residence and Canadian assets as primary, declare himself to be a resident of Canada, file a Canadian tax return, and everything would be fine; he could vote.
But he doesn't and there is a reason for it of course.
It's just more Lieberal bullshit, they are pulling out all the stops this time.
Ahhhhh the thinking man's answer and claim to everything he doesn't understand>>>Liberal bullshit<<<<<
The Sutherlands own property in Canada. Tax laws between Canada and the US are there for a reason.
Why should one pay two countries on the same work. especially when Canada and the US are so closely tied and the law actually benefits US citizens more than us. Thats why it's there...LOL!!!!!!!!
Hell I can operate a company from a country which has zero tax laws and live in Canada just by using the internet. Should that make me illegal to vote.
The calls against being able to vote are Liberal Bullshit...
unbelievable.
BRAH @ Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:02 am

Fuck Him!
CountLothian CountLothian:
Hell I can operate a company from a country which has zero tax laws and live in Canada just by using the internet. Should that make me illegal to vote.
I could take the time to educate you on your statements, but I won't
bother. I'm guessing you're the type who just won't listen to reason.
Sorry but, given his poor life decisions he shouldn't be allowed back in the country let alone be given the right to vote for people who'll run a country he long since abandoned.
Besides, anybody who'd knowingly cuckold Roger Vadim by screwing that commie loving pseudo actress asshole Hanoi Jane doesn't deserve jack shit.
andyt @ Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:09 pm
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Besides, anybody who'd knowingly cuckold Roger Vadim by screwing that commie loving pseudo actress asshole Hanoi Jane doesn't deserve jack shit.
He doesn't want anything, since he already had his reward. She's still hot now, was incandescent in her Barbarella days. Smart, too.
martin14 martin14:
CountLothian CountLothian:
Hell I can operate a company from a country which has zero tax laws and live in Canada just by using the internet. Should that make me illegal to vote.
I could take the time to educate you on your statements, but I won't
bother. I'm guessing you're the type who just won't listen to reason.

Care to back up your insult????
I doubt you can..but isn't typing fun!!!!! and insulting people on the internet with no regard to even consider what you are talking about ...
So you think that some countries don't offer corporate free tax havens.
I have a friend who designed such a thing for Price Waterhouse Coopers.
The point I was making that went woosh over your head....( is this place always this tedious?).....
was for the idiots that think earning a living and paying taxes outside of Canada makes one ineligible to be consider Canadian enough to vote.
andyt andyt:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Besides, anybody who'd knowingly cuckold Roger Vadim by screwing that commie loving pseudo actress asshole Hanoi Jane doesn't deserve jack shit.
He doesn't want anything, since he already had his reward. She's still hot now, was incandescent in her Barbarella days. Smart, too.
He doesn't? Then why is he whining like a gut shot dog about not being able to vote in Canada after decades of utter silence?
$1:
Jane went to see the air defense installation on the outskirts of Hanoi. She was escorted to an aircraft gun and told it was protecting the city from American airstrikes. Everyone laughed as Jane climbed atop the gun, unaware of a camera crew filming her every move. Flashes popped, at which point Jane realized how her skit to please the Vietnamese would look back home. The next day, “Hanoi Jane” was all over the American press. “That two-minute lapse of sanity will haunt me until I die …” she said years later. “I simply wasn’t thinking about what I was doing, I was only feeling—innocent of what the photo implies.”
Sure Jane is smart and given her excuses a pretty good actress to boot.
CountLothian CountLothian:
martin14 martin14:
CountLothian CountLothian:
Hell I can operate a company from a country which has zero tax laws and live in Canada just by using the internet. Should that make me illegal to vote.
I could take the time to educate you on your statements, but I won't
bother. I'm guessing you're the type who just won't listen to reason.

Care to back up your insult????
I doubt you can..but isn't typing fun!!!!! and insulting people on the internet with no regard to even consider what you are talking about ...
So you think that some countries don't offer corporate free tax havens.
I have a friend who designed such a thing for Price Waterhouse Coopers.
The point I was making that went woosh over your head....( is this place always this tedious?).....
was for the idiots that think earning a living and paying taxes outside of Canada makes one ineligible to be consider Canadian enough to vote.
Idiots? Piss off moron.
$1:
There are hundreds of thousands more Canadian immigrants who bought a condo, got citizenship, get entitlements for themselves and their families and then leave, often returning back home to Hong Kong, Europe or wherever they originally came from. These people never pay taxes again and, in fact, the Government doesn’t know where they are.
http://business.financialpost.com/diane ... -our-moneyOh but fer sure, they should have the right to vote, dumbass.
And the real fun part about that? It's almost purely a result of the absolutely disastrous, liberal idea of mass immigration for the sake of mass immigration in order to have multiculturalism just for the sake of having multiculturalism.
Okay this is my take on all of this. You have a set of laws dealing with such a situation and guess what D. Sutherland you can't vote this time around because you've been out of the country for to long. 10 yrs I think is what the law says you can be gone and still vote. IF voting does mean that much to you, and I hope it does to everyone, move back and re-establish residency.