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Of course you were less then enthusiastic about attacking the retarded redneck posting about the Libs being blamed for economic woes despite not being in charge not have you addressed the fact that the Liberals presided over budget and economic boom but since Harper took over down it went and with it his responsibility to pay down the debt rather then dish out 8+ billion in pork contracts.

As for all your BS about all the hate of the Liberals all I can say is that you are yet another disengenous "disgruntedled Liberal" switching sides.

   

Since when is running huge surpluses a vision of fiscal management. This is where the Canadian public have been had. The Liberals taxed the crap out of us, cut billions in ransfer payments to the provinces and cities and then proudly announced that they had a surplus.

Tell you what. Voluntarily pay an EXTRA $1,000 per month out of your paycheck to CRA. When you do your taxes next year and you claim a $12,000 refund you can brag to all your friends what a great money manager you are.

   

I think that switching sides would give me more credibility. At least I have the ability to think for myself and not feel compelled to follow party lines blindly, no matter how bad the Liberal policies are.

   

Actually if you understood the how and why you would realize that they set out to deliberately run surpluses in order to put it towards the debt and those high taxes were Mulroneys legacy. Under the Liberals we had 13 years of successive tax breaks in EI premiums, income tax breaks, and raised exemption levels.

You also fail to understand that prior to the Libs slashing 100 billion off the debt we were paying some 67 cents on the dollar to service the debt and by lowering interest payments more money was made available to furinish tax cuts.

Get a clue then we'll talk.

   

You didn't. You just want to post that to try and convince people to somehow make it seem like what you say is in anyway not the junk it is.

   

If that helps you sleep at night, then go with that. How do you think Harpers numbers are so high and the Liberals numbers are so low?

I'll let you figure out the math and then try to accuse me of being disengenious. I'm obviously NOT alone with the party switching.

   

Government spending was cut along with transfers

The level of taxation is not in excess to that charged by other G8 nations. They also had to cut a lot more then they wanted to as they were unable to maintain triple A rating otherwise. We lose that rating we pay huge interest penalties.

   

Actually if you understood the how and why you would realize that they set out to deliberately run surpluses in order to put it towards the debt and those high taxes were Mulroneys legacy. Under the Liberals we had 13 years of successive tax breaks in EI premiums, income tax breaks, and raised exemption levels.

You also fail to understand that prior to the Libs slashing 100 billion off the debt we were paying some 67 cents on the dollar to service the debt and by lowering interest payments more money was made available to furinish tax cuts.

Get a clue then we'll talk.[/quote]

The fact still remains that the Liberals paid down the debt on the backs of Canadians. It was not from some great thinking on their part. They raked in billions of dollars and left the provinces and cities in shambles. To this day every province is burdened by debt except for Alberta. Are you telling me that every Premier in the country for 13 years were morons except for Chretien and Martin?

BTW, not all that money went towards the debt. They spent billions just before every election and passed a few million in brown envelopes under bistro tables in Montreal.

   

They did what they had to do. That's why I supported them during those times. But please don't make them out to be some saviour that came to save us.

In the end, they turned out to be the most corrupt party in Canadian history. I loved Martin as finance minister but hated him as PM. Yet I still voted for him because I was told to be scared of Harper.

Well now I am actually scared of Dion and his hidden agenda. He has yet to explain how he plans to pay for all his gradious promises.

Dion is no Cretien.

   

True, but with $8.8 Billion in pre-election pork Harper is shaping up to be another Mulroney. He came into a $12 Billion surplus, now it's gone. Our GDP is the only one that shrunk of all the G8 nations this year, that's a made in Canada recession. When the world economy does go south as it is doing right now I don't want someone that's at the helm with the finical wisdom of a drunken sailor.

   

The fact that our surging currency made our exports too expensive had nothing to do with a shrinking GDP, now did it? What was the value of our dollar under the Liberal regimes and who was buying our exports? Too much credit is taken by politicians for things they had little bearing on and too much blame is heaped on them for things over which they have little contol. I know some are too provincial in their thinking to be able to grasp the big picture, but the economic woes facing Canada extend far beyond our borders and our control. The old days when we wholly controlled the reins on our economy are long gone.

   

The surplus is gone because he reduced our taxes including the GST. In other words, that surplus did not disappear, it's in our pockets where it belongs.

Governments do not have the ability to generate an income. If there is a surplus, it comes from over taxation.

   

Do you really believe that surplus is in your pockets, Apollo? It's funny, but I didn't notice the price of anything going down. The tax came off and the price went up. Harper's corporate pals are keeping it for themselves.

Now if he would have given us an income tax cut instead, we'd actually have more money in our pockets. Unlike every working economist on the planet though, Harper likes income taxes and not consumption taxes.

   

No they didn't. They used taxpayer money to pay for the programs that the previous govts borrowed money to run. Thats what a deficit is. Borrowing money you will pay off tomorrow to run progrmas today. If you want to put it another way Canadian taxpayers were getting more services then they were paying for so in essence they were paying less tax then they should have. Scary thought when you consider that the high tax rates you attribute to the Liberals were alreay in place by the PCs.

They did not "rake it in". They stated right from the get go in their Red Book what they were going to do and gave specific costs and presented an agenda for returning us to fiscal solvency.

Contrary to your belief they put the entire surplus towards the deficit each and every year including the election years, a fact easily confirmed by simply comparing recorded surpluses and debt reduction payments.

Slightly dated but I have posted this many times before and don't have the time to go digging up reposting the same info again to prove the proven.

BTW, Martin to his credit even made the debt reduction payments facing election defeat because he knew that Canada's best hope for surviving the impending recession was to slash as much debt as possible. Save for when times are lean.

How people can possibly think that Canada wasn't going to get out of debt without some combination of spending cuts, debt reduction payments, and stagnant tax levels I'll never understand.

   

Income tax cuts only help those that make an income.

A third of Canadians do not pay any income tax whatsoever. How exactly would an income tax cut help those that are in most need?

Harpers corporate pals? Surely you meant Dion's corporate pals. Last I checked the Conservative coffers are overflowing with donations of $10 and $20 from ordinary Canadians. Meanwhile the Liberals can't seem to raise any money at all because they can't get unlimited cash from corporations.

You should check your facts before making false accusations. Saying it's so doesn't make it true.

   

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