NDP Candidate Plagiarizes in Commons Speech?
Caelon @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:19 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
The Libs didn't. You just think they did. Suzukis clean air plan is no less then the clean air plan pretty much everybody has. There are only so many ways to do it and considering that suzuki himself expected politicians to follow his expert advice and helped guide the Liberals to develop a plan its nor plagerism. Neither is having the same criticism of the missile plan as the NDp did since its the same crticism most Canadians had.
Harper speech was word for word identical to Howards in entire paragraphs. Thats why their is MSM reporting of it and only random blogging about so called Liberal and NDP plagerism.
Harper speech was word for word identical to Howards in entire paragraphs. Thats why their is MSM reporting of it and only random blogging about so called Liberal and NDP plagerism.
Uhhhhh. Suzuki is a geneticist so he would not be an expert on climatology or the environment in a macro sense.
Zipperfish @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:43 pm
Caelon Caelon:
DerbyX DerbyX:
The Libs didn't. You just think they did. Suzukis clean air plan is no less then the clean air plan pretty much everybody has. There are only so many ways to do it and considering that suzuki himself expected politicians to follow his expert advice and helped guide the Liberals to develop a plan its nor plagerism. Neither is having the same criticism of the missile plan as the NDp did since its the same crticism most Canadians had.
Harper speech was word for word identical to Howards in entire paragraphs. Thats why their is MSM reporting of it and only random blogging about so called Liberal and NDP plagerism.
Harper speech was word for word identical to Howards in entire paragraphs. Thats why their is MSM reporting of it and only random blogging about so called Liberal and NDP plagerism.
Uhhhhh. Suzuki is a geneticist so he would not be an expert on climatology or the environment in a macro sense.
David Suzuki is not an expert on the environment? He's received 22 honorary degrees for his work on popularizing science, particualrly environmental issues. His show The Nature of Things, which has been aired since 1979 and is shown in dozens of coutries worlwide deals predom,inately with environmental issues. He's written several published, successful books on the issues of environmental science.
Basically, the man's entire life has been dedicated to studying, in a scientific manner, the relationship between humnakind and the environment--and you say he's not an expert in the environment? Sheesh!
Caelon @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:51 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Caelon Caelon:
DerbyX DerbyX:
The Libs didn't. You just think they did. Suzukis clean air plan is no less then the clean air plan pretty much everybody has. There are only so many ways to do it and considering that suzuki himself expected politicians to follow his expert advice and helped guide the Liberals to develop a plan its nor plagerism. Neither is having the same criticism of the missile plan as the NDp did since its the same crticism most Canadians had.
Harper speech was word for word identical to Howards in entire paragraphs. Thats why their is MSM reporting of it and only random blogging about so called Liberal and NDP plagerism.
Harper speech was word for word identical to Howards in entire paragraphs. Thats why their is MSM reporting of it and only random blogging about so called Liberal and NDP plagerism.
Uhhhhh. Suzuki is a geneticist so he would not be an expert on climatology or the environment in a macro sense.
David Suzuki is not an expert on the environment? He's received 22 honorary degrees for his work on popularizing science, particualrly environmental issues. His show The Nature of Things, which has been aired since 1979 and is shown in dozens of coutries worlwide deals predom,inately with environmental issues. He's written several published, successful books on the issues of environmental science.
True, he has been very good with his televison program, but all his formal training is as a geneticist.
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Basically, the man's entire life has been dedicated to studying, in a scientific manner, the relationship between humnakind and the environment--and you say he's not an expert in the environment? Sheesh!
Show me his peer reviewed articles in Nature or any other scientific journal as opposed to the popular press. Furthermore show where ackowledged experts in the field quote his scientific journal articles in their publications in various science journals. That would make him an expert.
He is a prominent figure with a point of view on the environment. He has also established a research foundation, but he chooses to use the popular press to express his views as opposed to scientifc journals. One advantage of the popular press is your articles are not subject to a peer review before publication.
Suzuki is a well read individual that has used the media very well to promote his agenda. He was successful in having the Liberal party adopt his views. I would have preferred if the Liberal party had established a panel with experts on all sides to arrive at a consenses as opposed to letting one person write their policy. It usually leads to a more balanced approach.
mixedfarmer @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:58 pm
ok then lets ban all people ,who plagiarizes a speech , from the house of commons
Zipperfish @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:20 pm
Caelon Caelon:
True, he has been very good with his televison program, but all his formal training is as a geneticist.
Actually, his undergrad was in biology, so not all his formal traiing is in gentics. And the television program in question is not "The Waltons, but a science based program dealing predominately wiht the relationship between humankind and nature. He has hosted this show for almost thirty years. He's Professor Emeritus of UBC's Sustainable Development institute. If he is not an "expert" by now on environmental issues, I'd hate to see how high you are setting the bar.
Caelon Caelon:
Show me his peer reviewed articles in Nature or any other scientific journal as opposed to the popular press. Furthermore show where ackowledged experts in the field quote his scientific journal articles in their publications in various science journals. That would make him an expert.
He is a prominent figure with a point of view on the environment. He has also established a research foundation, but he chooses to use the popular press to express his views as opposed to scientifc journals. One advantage of the popular press is your articles are not subject to a peer review before publication.
Suzuki is a well read individual that has used the media very well to promote his agenda. He was successful in having the Liberal party adopt his views. I would have preferred if the Liberal party had established a panel with experts on all sides to arrive at a consenses as opposed to letting one person write their policy. It usually leads to a more balanced approach.
He is a prominent figure with a point of view on the environment. He has also established a research foundation, but he chooses to use the popular press to express his views as opposed to scientifc journals. One advantage of the popular press is your articles are not subject to a peer review before publication.
Suzuki is a well read individual that has used the media very well to promote his agenda. He was successful in having the Liberal party adopt his views. I would have preferred if the Liberal party had established a panel with experts on all sides to arrive at a consenses as opposed to letting one person write their policy. It usually leads to a more balanced approach.
Just because Suzuki chooses an activist approach through the popular press doesn't mean that he isn't an expert in the field. Again, with thirty years doing a world-renowned environmental science television show and wiht several successful books on environmental science, I'd say he must know something.
Contrary to your assertion, Dr. Suzuki has over 175 peer-reviewed science papers to his credit from 1961 to 1985 and has received several awards based on his record as a research scientists alone. As well as this incredible depth of knowledge in his area of research, he also has broad knowledge of environmental sceince across several different disciplines, as a cursory review of his CV will demonstrate.
I don't agree with everyting Suzuki says--not even close. But I think that you have to give the man his due; he qualifies as an expert on the environment.
DerbyX @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:42 pm
commanderkai commanderkai:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Dion does and so did Bill Clinton. I'm sure alot of politicians do write their own speeches.
Didn't Dion ask for Martin's help in speech making? I bet he changed his mind. Good for Clinton, but I still bet you he had speech writers. Get over it.
He asked for help writing his own speeches eh? Seems you made my point for me. Thanks. The fact is that he did.
If you are seriously equating asking for help as the equivalent of plagerism you are categorically wrong.
DerbyX @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:45 pm
2Cdo 2Cdo:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Dion does and so did Bill Clinton. I'm sure alot of politicians do write their own speeches.
Don't know about Dion, but every American president has a speech writer. Clinton might have ad-libbed here and there but he did use a speech writer. Just like every president.
They may have a speechwriter but that doesn't mean they use him at the very least for every single speech. This is something I've heard before about Clinton even if the Dion factoid is new.
Do you have any proof that he didn't write any of his speeches or are you just quessing because I tend to believe a respected journalist on this one. There is no point in lying about bubba years after the fact.
DerbyX @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:45 pm
Caelon Caelon:
DerbyX DerbyX:
The Libs didn't. You just think they did. Suzukis clean air plan is no less then the clean air plan pretty much everybody has. There are only so many ways to do it and considering that suzuki himself expected politicians to follow his expert advice and helped guide the Liberals to develop a plan its nor plagerism. Neither is having the same criticism of the missile plan as the NDp did since its the same crticism most Canadians had.
Harper speech was word for word identical to Howards in entire paragraphs. Thats why their is MSM reporting of it and only random blogging about so called Liberal and NDP plagerism.
Harper speech was word for word identical to Howards in entire paragraphs. Thats why their is MSM reporting of it and only random blogging about so called Liberal and NDP plagerism.
Uhhhhh. Suzuki is a geneticist so he would not be an expert on climatology or the environment in a macro sense.
What Zipperfish said.
kenmore @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:00 pm
commanderkai commanderkai:
Oh God, who cares? Once again...politicians don't write their damn speeches.
And their writers shouldnt steal other people speeches either.. its unethical and its what kids get kicked out of college for..so harper is as guilty as his writers.. and he should be kicked out of the house of commons..end of story.
ziggy @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:04 pm
kenmore kenmore:
commanderkai commanderkai:
Oh God, who cares? Once again...politicians don't write their damn speeches.
And their writers shouldnt steal other people speeches either.. its unethical and its what kids get kicked out of college for..so harper is as guilty as his writers.. and he should be kicked out of the house of commons..end of story.
How about Dion then? Or did you miss that link where he did the same thing?
kenmore @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:44 pm
ziggy ziggy:
kenmore kenmore:
commanderkai commanderkai:
Oh God, who cares? Once again...politicians don't write their damn speeches.
And their writers shouldnt steal other people speeches either.. its unethical and its what kids get kicked out of college for..so harper is as guilty as his writers.. and he should be kicked out of the house of commons..end of story.
How about Dion then? Or did you miss that link where he did the same thing?
the link was not founded in fact..harpers was x2.... The word "plagiarism" comes from a Latin word meaning "kidnapper," because a plagiarist is one who makes off with another person's ideas. Whether intentional or unintentional, it is a breach of professional or academic trust, in which a person takes credit for someone else's work.
Knowing how to plagiarize is an invaluable skill because it can
speed up your writing
eliminate your grammar worries
get you kicked out of some of the nicest schools in the country.
and should get you kicked out of the nicest house in the country... The House of Commons..
ziggy @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:46 pm
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