The debate in French has started
Chumley @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:54 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
This entire thread in honestly just full of fail.
Anyway, my only comment is this: Harper seriously got owned, and the Duceppe pretty much led the entire debate.
And now I'm leaving this thread until the partisan bullshit you all seem to have right now let's up.
Hopefully we can all be a little more mature for the English Debate.
Anyway, my only comment is this: Harper seriously got owned, and the Duceppe pretty much led the entire debate.
And now I'm leaving this thread until the partisan bullshit you all seem to have right now let's up.
Hopefully we can all be a little more mature for the English Debate.
It's pronounced Mah-TEW-er when you are scolding your elders.
Public_Domain @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:18 am
Reverend Blair @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:26 am
Huh, one of the French papers had a cartoon of Steve being on valium...apparently I'm not the only one that noticed, although I'm sticking with my Quaalude theory.
Both Crop and Ipsos Reid give the debate to Dion with Harper as the loser. So much for Harper's hopes of stopping his slide in Quebec. I wonder how his furniture is feeling today?
mtbr @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:05 am
tonight we will watch Dion's win go in the toilet when he tries to speak English
Tracker @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:06 am
Harper Rocked!
Reverend Blair @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:10 am
We'll see. If Harper's performance is as weak as it was last night, Dion could be speaking Swahili and still come in ahead of Harper.
Harper's kind of in tough spot here. When he attacks he heads straight into partisan bully territory. He can't seem to help himself. When he sits there with that grimace on his face, he reinforces the laissez faire thing.
Expectations for Harper are also very high, whereas Dion just has to make a few points.
Blue_Nose @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:13 am
Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:
Both Crop and Ipsos Reid give the debate to Dion with Harper as the loser. So much for Harper's hopes of stopping his slide in Quebec. I wonder how his furniture is feeling today?
I didn't see it that way at all. Harper and Layton seemed to be the most confident of them all, while the rest seemed to fumble around, throwing out random issues unrelated to the topic at hand.
Public_Domain @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:20 am
Pimpbrewski @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:23 am
A special post-debate edition of our regular look at what the Quebec press is saying about the federal campaign
Here is the opinion that really matters since the QC media often dictates any opinions put forward concerning political debates.
$1:
On Radio-Canada's post-debate panel, analysts Chantal Hébert, Daniel Lessard and Michel C. Auger all agreed that the Conservative Leader did a good job of remaining calm under considerable pressure from his opponents.
La Presse's Vincent Marissal also praised Mr. Harper's "remarkable stoicism," but wondered if maybe Mr. Harper seemed a little too relaxed. "We don't expect him to be passionate, that's not his style,"
Mr. Marissal's colleague Patrick Lagacé described Mr. Harper as "Prime Minsterial to the bone: calm, composed and reassuring." And he compared the other leaders' attempts to rattle Mr. Harper to "trying to get jell-o to stick to a wall."
La Presse's Vincent Marissal also praised Mr. Harper's "remarkable stoicism," but wondered if maybe Mr. Harper seemed a little too relaxed. "We don't expect him to be passionate, that's not his style,"
Mr. Marissal's colleague Patrick Lagacé described Mr. Harper as "Prime Minsterial to the bone: calm, composed and reassuring." And he compared the other leaders' attempts to rattle Mr. Harper to "trying to get jell-o to stick to a wall."
$1:
Mr. Dion earned some rare praise from the Quebec media as well. In his grading of leaders' performances during the debate, La Presse's Marc Cassivi gave Mr. Dion an 8.5/10, the highest score among the leaders. Mr. Cassivi wrote that, despite looking a bit nervous at times, Mr. Dion "played his cards well and presented himself as the true rival of Mr. Harper."
Regina @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:24 am
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... itics/home
Regina @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:38 am
French-speaking Canadians surveyed by Ipsos Reid immediately after Wednesday's debate said the Liberal Leader won the night, and one in five viewers say they changed their mind.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... itics/home
Reverend Blair @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:44 am
$1:
I didn't see it that way at all. Harper and Layton seemed to be the most confident of them all, while the rest seemed to fumble around, throwing out random issues unrelated to the topic at hand.
The people polled in Quebec felt differently though. From my perspective that's got a lot more importance than your ideas or mine (I didn't agree with the polls either, if you look at my breakdown) since two polls of a statistically significant portion of Quebeckers disagree.
I think it might have tipped places like St. Boniface back to the Liberals too, but there really aren't that many ridings like that outside of Quebec.
Blue_Nose @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:53 am
Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:
The people polled in Quebec felt differently though. From my perspective that's got a lot more importance than your ideas or mine (I didn't agree with the polls either, if you look at my breakdown) since two polls of a statistically significant portion of Quebeckers disagree.
Well, I didn't watch the debate to find out what Quebecers think, so from that perspective, poll results aren't important.It's the french debate, not the Quebec debate, and I realize that's the way it's viewed a lot of times, but that doesn't make Quebec voters the sole authorities on the matter.
Tracker @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:00 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
Tracker Tracker:
Harper Rocked!
It seemed more like Harper was getting rocked, actually.
I noticed. But he came out looking the most intelligent. Which wasn't difficult when he was up against a bunch of screaming brats.
Reverend Blair @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:03 am
It's not if they are authorities on the matter, Blue Nose, it's what it does to the political parties chances in Quebec. If Dion and Duceppe managed to move votes, and the polls suggest they did, then Harper's slide will continue there and Layton's chances of seat gains in Quebec went down by a good chunk.
That's a significant event in an election.