I really thought there would be more comments to this topic. Anyone? B)

   

I guess I would have to do some deep thinking on this subject Kevin, it seems that right now we have to concentrate on keeping the social systems we have intact first; but the railroad should have stayed public, and many other things are going private and that concerns me. The problem seems to me that the public system is becoming corrupt.

   

Actually, Kevin... I started to reply to that but it's a big question and I decided to wait a few days for my mind to give some order to my thoughts. I'm a bit torn between realism and idealism here. Idealogically I'm a communist, but I understand the motivational shortcomings of such a system, and so for people to contribute to such a large system requires some sort of reward for their contributions. </P> I'm still undecided on what the best way to go about it is. Because it necessitates a sacrificing of ideological beliefs in order to practically achieve a certain standard of living. Hmmm...

   

I can totally relate to what your saying Kory. I feel the same way towards this issue.

Kevin

   

Kevin, I had a post all typed out but for some reason me and the forums do not get along. My message just disappeared. Or if I move around I get the evil blue page stating a "fatal error" has occured and I have to reboot. I also cannot make paragraphs stay from typing to submit. Everything just comes out in a mass. Anyway I'll try and recreate what I was thinking. I too would like to see all necessities for survival provided at cost. As for what Whelan suggested regarding corruption, that's happening in either sector and I'd venture to say that it's worse in the private sector. If it's the necessities I don't necessarily believe that competition would make much difference. Everyone's salary keeps going Walmart so service is going to go with it in the private sector as well. So, maybe now is the time for idealism, there are so many people going without there may be much more support for such a system.

   

I think that the constitution of the world should have a declaration of Human Rights that guarantees that every person will have access to a bare <b>maximum</b> of: healthy nourishing food, clean water, fully functional and habitable shelter, educational tools and schools, health care ( including dental and prescription medicine), clothing and any other necessities of life that I haven't mentioned here. I think the corporations should be told that they had better figure out how to supply us with these goods and services and do so while enhancing the environment ( instead of destroying it). I think the corporations should be told that if they can't handle this now then we will have to change the system in whatever way necessary so that the human rights declaration is fulfilled. Either they adapt or their charters are cancelled, most of them are repeat offenders anyway. We need to get governing by referendum talked about and the effects outlined and then we need draw up a bill that spells out all the details and then we need to get the Governing by Referendum Bill passed in the House of Commons. What do you guys think?

   

I think some things should be public and guaranteed...health care, heat in the winter, electricity, clean water, access to courts, and so on.

Other things, like auto insurance, mass transportation, telephone service (although I think that may belong in the prior group more in this day and age) and so on should be made public if private industry shows an inability or reluctance to provide adequate service.

Other things, everything from major corporations to local small business, should be regulated with an eye toward not just protecting the public, but serving a greater good.

   

[QUOTE BY= Milton] I think that the constitution of the world should have a declaration of Human Rights that guarantees that every person will have access to a bare <b>maximum</b> of: healthy nourishing food, clean water, fully functional and habitable shelter, educational tools and schools, health care ( including dental and prescription medicine), clothing and any other necessities of life that I haven't mentioned here. I think the corporations should be told that they had better figure out how to supply us with these goods and services and do so while enhancing the environment ( instead of destroying it). I think the corporations should be told that if they can't handle this now then we will have to change the system in whatever way necessary so that the human rights declaration is fulfilled. Either they adapt or their charters are cancelled, most of them are repeat offenders anyway.[/QUOTE] Governments do not exist to tell people (and corporations) what to do. They exist to protect the nation, provide basic services, and deal with the issues that the general population do not have time to deal with. [QUOTE BY= Milton]We need to get governing by referendum talked about and the effects outlined and then we need draw up a bill that spells out all the details and then we need to get the Governing by Referendum Bill passed in the House of Commons.[/QUOTE] How do you suggest the who world adopt a "Bill of Rights?" By making a piece of legislation that is "above" the nation, every country would be giving up some of its sovereignty -- this is exactly what this site is opposed to. [QUOTE BY= Milton]What do you guys think?[/QUOTE] Sounds overly socialist to me.

   

As far as publicly funded things go I do beleive that health care and, to a degree, energy should be run like this. They are too basic to let the "free market" run it completely. As far as healthy food goes though I think Kevin you may be right that it would likely lead to the continuing of unhealthy production of animal and produce products. Whether this is a good thing or not, Im not sure. On the positive side it could possibly offer cheaper food for those that need it as well as bring a greater interest to the organic/natural food market (which should be a market system, regulated only for health reasons) which would bring stress off of the mass-produced system. I know this is a two-tiered system for food, but Im not so sure food should be supplied completely.

   

There will never be any system put forth that can remain untouched by the Corporate agenda.In one way shape or form,the corporate political corruption will take hold and twist it to its ownuse. <br /> You talk about "public food system"!? Shit,you is lookin for genocide ain't ya.What better way for control of the masses than "tainting" the "public food supply"