A stratagy on Climate change
mtbr @ Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:28 pm
Ban winter...
Ban Liberals and the UN
Shoot Al gore....
Give David Suzuki a real big bag of homegrown and drop him off in Cranbrook.
N_Fiddledog @ Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:07 pm
sandorski sandorski:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I just have to toss this in here:
In California we just had the coldest April in 113 years, the coldest May since 1901, and now it is so far the coldest June on record.
It was 48F this morning here and it's usually 60F for June in the mornings.
We have not had one single day with 100F so far this year - the first time that's happened since 1938.
Global Warming.
Sure.
In California we just had the coldest April in 113 years, the coldest May since 1901, and now it is so far the coldest June on record.
It was 48F this morning here and it's usually 60F for June in the mornings.
We have not had one single day with 100F so far this year - the first time that's happened since 1938.
Global Warming.
Sure.
Well, turns out 2007 wasn't so cold after all. But thanks for showing that you're just as capable as Mann et. al. at selecting a small subset of the data available and using it to try and prove your own biased point.
8th warmest year on record...to date........carefull old chap your petard is poised.
Should not we wait for the end of year figures before coming to a fairy tale conclusion.
Ok, wait 2 weeks.
Actually Sandorski, this is going to surprise you, but I agree with you. 8th warmest won't surprise me. You have to understand what happened though, and what record they're talking about.
There was this thing called the little ice age. It ended about mid-19th century. Following the little ice age things of course got warmer. When a global warming alarmist talks about "on record", he means that period - the warming period following the little ice age.
There are exceptions to that. When he talks about something like the arctic ice melt being the largest on record, he's talking about the time of satellite monitoring.
When he's talking about "recent warming", he's talking the period from about 1978 to 1998 (possibly a little later depending on how he's charting his graphs). After that things kind of leveled off.
The thing is 1998 was a record year. It was an El Nino year, which has a temporary warming effect of a year, or two. After the record year of 1998 though temps didn't really go up, or down significantly from that record. They dipped a tiny bit, then more or less leveled off.
So what we've seen is temperatures rising from the end of the little ice age to an El Nino peak of 1998, then leveling off. So yes 2007 could very well be among the record years during the temperature plateau since 1998.
Here's the thing though. It's getting colder now. This is caused by a La Nina. Basically, if you think of El Nino as hot, think of La Nina as cold. This cooling is expected, and it's supposed to be temporary. What if it's not though, is the question we skeptics are anxious to get an answer to.
This can all be explained by natural causes. You can see that explanation quite nicely HERE.
sandorski @ Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:03 pm
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
sandorski sandorski:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I just have to toss this in here:
In California we just had the coldest April in 113 years, the coldest May since 1901, and now it is so far the coldest June on record.
It was 48F this morning here and it's usually 60F for June in the mornings.
We have not had one single day with 100F so far this year - the first time that's happened since 1938.
Global Warming.
Sure.
In California we just had the coldest April in 113 years, the coldest May since 1901, and now it is so far the coldest June on record.
It was 48F this morning here and it's usually 60F for June in the mornings.
We have not had one single day with 100F so far this year - the first time that's happened since 1938.
Global Warming.
Sure.
Well, turns out 2007 wasn't so cold after all. But thanks for showing that you're just as capable as Mann et. al. at selecting a small subset of the data available and using it to try and prove your own biased point.
8th warmest year on record...to date........carefull old chap your petard is poised.
Should not we wait for the end of year figures before coming to a fairy tale conclusion.
Ok, wait 2 weeks.
Actually Sandorski, this is going to surprise you, but I agree with you. 8th warmest won't surprise me. You have to understand what happened though, and what record they're talking about.
There was this thing called the little ice age. It ended about mid-19th century. Following the little ice age things of course got warmer. When a global warming alarmist talks about "on record", he means that period - the warming period following the little ice age.
There are exceptions to that. When he talks about something like the arctic ice melt being the largest on record, he's talking about the time of satellite monitoring.
When he's talking about "recent warming", he's talking the period from about 1978 to 1998 (possibly a little later depending on how he's charting his graphs). After that things kind of leveled off.
The thing is 1998 was a record year. It was an El Nino year, which has a temporary warming effect of a year, or two. After the record year of 1998 though temps didn't really go up, or down significantly from that record. They dipped a tiny bit, then more or less leveled off.
So what we've seen is temperatures rising from the end of the little ice age to an El Nino peak of 1998, then leveling off. So yes 2007 could very well be among the record years during the temperature plateau since 1998.
Here's the thing though. It's getting colder now. This is caused by a La Nina. Basically, if you think of El Nino as hot, think of La Nina as cold. This cooling is expected, and it's supposed to be temporary. What if it's not though, is the question we skeptics are anxious to get an answer to.
This can all be explained by natural causes. You can see that explanation quite nicely HERE.
The Little Ice Age was the result on Mt Pinatubo(sp) erupting. Volcanic ash blocked a significant amount of sunlight , causing a cooling trend. It didn't just occur out of the blue.