Property rights questions dominate RCMP town hall in Biggar
ShepherdsDog @ Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:10 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatche ... -1.4489314
Seems like more questions were created than solutions offered or answers given. Things aren't going to get better until things are made much clearer or property rights are firmly codified/enshrined.
DrCaleb @ Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:23 pm
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He asked Sgt. Colin Sawrenko, the commander of the Biggar detachment, what he should do if he catches a thief in the act. He asked, for instance, whether shooting a gun to scare off an intruder would be appropriate.
Yea, I'm going out on a limb and say that the RCMP will never, ever tell you to shoot - warning shot or otherwise - at an intruder. They know you will, they know it might be your only option, but they will never tell you it's OK.
Tricks @ Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:38 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
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He asked Sgt. Colin Sawrenko, the commander of the Biggar detachment, what he should do if he catches a thief in the act. He asked, for instance, whether shooting a gun to scare off an intruder would be appropriate.
Yea, I'm going out on a limb and say that the RCMP will never, ever tell you to shoot - warning shot or otherwise - at an intruder. They know you will, they know it might be your only option, but they will never tell you it's OK.
The judge in the Stanley case actually said during the trial that the warning shots were justified.
BartSimpson @ Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:39 pm
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"If you can avoid a confrontation with a criminal, do it," added Staff Sgt. Greg Abbott, who represents the RCMP's central district.
That policy works well for the RCMP but what about everyone else?
martin14 @ Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:04 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Seems like more questions were created than solutions offered or answers given. Things aren't going to get better until things are made much clearer or property rights are firmly codified/enshrined.
I wouldn't wait for this current government to do it.
If anything, Tater Tot would move to protect the rights of criminals even further.
Tricks Tricks:
The judge in the Stanley case actually said during the trial that the warning shots were justified.
Read that too. Didn't believe it at first.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
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"If you can avoid a confrontation with a criminal, do it," added Staff Sgt. Greg Abbott, who represents the RCMP's central district.
That policy works well for the RCMP but what about everyone else?
The cops just aren't willing to admit the truth. They can do very little stop
anything before, during, or after, unless by coincidence they are driving by at the time.
How are you supposed to avoid a confrontation with a criminal when he is on your land,
or in your house ?
And why should you have to ?
DrCaleb @ Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:10 pm
martin14 martin14:
Tricks Tricks:
The judge in the Stanley case actually said during the trial that the warning shots were justified.
Read that too. Didn't believe it at first.
That was a judge though. I stand by my belief that a cop won't condone it. They want you to call them, and in an hour or two, they will get there and start investigating the theft of your property and your murder.
fifeboy @ Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:08 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
martin14 martin14:
Tricks Tricks:
The judge in the Stanley case actually said during the trial that the warning shots were justified.
Read that too. Didn't believe it at first.
That was a judge though. I stand by my belief that a cop won't condone it. They want you to call them, and in an hour or two, they will get there and start investigating the theft of your property and your murder.
Just out of curiosity, but just how many farmers are murdered by aboriginal people each year in Saskatchewan?
Thanos @ Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:16 pm
It's not specifically about the Natives. It's almost entirely about a rural crime wave in Saskatchewan and Alberta, fueled pretty much by drug gangs using meth-heads to do break-ins and thefts. It's about the right to self-defense being denied by the federal government and citizens in peril being ordered to rely on an overwhelmed RCMP that has no chance of preventing the crimes from happening or catching the perpetrators after the fact.
IMO I'm actively hoping that the rural folks just come to an unspoken agreement among themselves of going back to the policy of "shoot, shovel, shut up" to take care of themselves and their families. Maybe it'll take a half-dozen or so robbers just simply disappearing while in the middle of committing a crime, and never being seen again, to make the epidemic of lawlessness come to a halt. As one of the no-nonsense farmer boys on the pipeline once told me, there's a lot of holes in the ground out in the countryside that need to be filled up with something. And, no, I'm not joking in the slightest about advocating this solution. When the government and the police fail in their duty then common people have the absolute human right to do what is necessary to protect themselves. 
Tricks @ Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:05 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
martin14 martin14:
Tricks Tricks:
The judge in the Stanley case actually said during the trial that the warning shots were justified.
Read that too. Didn't believe it at first.
That was a judge though. I stand by my belief that a cop won't condone it. They want you to call them, and in an hour or two, they will get there and start investigating the theft of your property and your murder.
Agreed, but precedent matters too.
DrCaleb @ Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:08 am
fifeboy fifeboy:
Just out of curiosity, but just how many farmers are murdered by aboriginal people each year in Saskatchewan?
Even in the Boushee thread, I never related property crime to Natives. Natives might participate in it, but they are far from the only ones. It's just the case with the most media coverage involves natives.
Why is that? From the article:
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Many of the more than 100 people at Monday's meeting painted a picture of rampant rural crime that was at odds with RCMP statistics of reported offences.
Rural crime is trending, but only one case gets media attention. And we've covered this on CKA before.
Remember the Alberta farmer who chased a couple guys who were stealing things on his property?Thanos Thanos:
It's not specifically about the Natives. It's almost entirely about a rural crime wave in Saskatchewan and Alberta, fueled pretty much by drug gangs using meth-heads to do break-ins and thefts. It's about the right to self-defense being denied by the federal government and citizens in peril being ordered to rely on an overwhelmed RCMP that has no chance of preventing the crimes from happening or catching the perpetrators after the fact.
^^
Thanos Thanos:
IMO I'm actively hoping that the rural folks just come to an unspoken agreement among themselves of going back to the policy of "shoot, shovel, shut up" to take care of themselves and their families. Maybe it'll take a half-dozen or so robbers just simply disappearing while in the middle of committing a crime, and never being seen again, to make the epidemic of lawlessness come to a halt.
The only problem is, if no one knows what trouble they were out to make, no one will realize why then never came back.
Thanos Thanos:
As one of the no-nonsense farmer boys on the pipeline once told me, there's a lot of holes in the ground out in the countryside that need to be filled up with something. And, no, I'm not joking in the slightest about advocating this solution. When the government and the police fail in their duty then common people have the absolute human right to do what is necessary to protect themselves.
And nothing of value was lost.
Thanos @ Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:09 pm
^ Yes to all of that.
Another meeting was held in rural Saskatchewan today. Same well-practiced non-answers from the local RCMP, clearly forced by HQ to say such useless things:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatche ... -1.4570920
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In the quaint village of Perdue in central Saskatchewan, frustration over break-ins, thefts and property owners having to chase trespassers off their land is growing.
"We're in the middle of nowhere and we're stuck," grain farmer Greg Pavloff said.
"Cops may be two or three hours away. What are we supposed to do?"
The question of how far people can go to defend themselves and their property is dominating public discussion, while Indigenous leaders worry about racism and call for improved policing.
The RCMP held a town hall to hear concerns on Thursday evening in the community — about 60 kilometres west of Saskatoon — which is close to where Colten Boushie was shot and killed in August 2016 on Gerald Stanley's farm.
Stanley, who had been charged with second-degree murder, was found not guilty by a jury last month in the death of the 22-year-old Cree man.
Sawrenko urged the crowd not to take matters into their own hands, and said clarity in the law will have to come from elected officials.
But that message wasn't comforting to Pavloff, who said he had $25,000 worth of belongings stolen from his house last year in broad daylight while he was out at a ball game.
"You are violated," said Pavloff. "It wasn't even fun to even walk in the house anymore."
"We're in the middle of nowhere and we're stuck," grain farmer Greg Pavloff said.
"Cops may be two or three hours away. What are we supposed to do?"
The question of how far people can go to defend themselves and their property is dominating public discussion, while Indigenous leaders worry about racism and call for improved policing.
The RCMP held a town hall to hear concerns on Thursday evening in the community — about 60 kilometres west of Saskatoon — which is close to where Colten Boushie was shot and killed in August 2016 on Gerald Stanley's farm.
Stanley, who had been charged with second-degree murder, was found not guilty by a jury last month in the death of the 22-year-old Cree man.
Sawrenko urged the crowd not to take matters into their own hands, and said clarity in the law will have to come from elected officials.
But that message wasn't comforting to Pavloff, who said he had $25,000 worth of belongings stolen from his house last year in broad daylight while he was out at a ball game.
"You are violated," said Pavloff. "It wasn't even fun to even walk in the house anymore."
Look at them all, the lousy settlers. Talk about pure evil, luxuriating in their white privilege.
