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Actually, that was a reference to the day that the Alberta government called a big press conference for a big announcement, and everyone thought is was $800M for Expo 2017, but it was $20k for a new duck pond (that hasn't been built yet), but the same day a $1.2B project was announced without fanfare for Toronto's waterfront.

So it's an Edmonton / Toronto thing. But more of 'We want back in [to Confederation]" thing. I dislike the regional fighting that our governments force on us too.

   

You went way too far, and now that you're debt free, will you be scaling back those massive fee hikes? Doubtful.

This actually happened (Ralph Klein) and it's telling, given your province's political orientation.

Nope, I knew that too. And yet they don't prattle on about how we evil easterners should "freeze in the dark" and act like their single-handedly generating all $1 Trillion dollars of the economy.


They do, and we acknowledge it.

Well a smug person would say that, wouldn't they? Stop acting like debt elimination is the end-all and be-all that has to be implemented immediately at all costs. You're going to learn a hard lesson when all those budget-slashing chickens come home to roost. There are real costs to making health care and education less accessible and more costly. You've just shifted the burden of paying those costs onto individual families. Who cares when you're dismantling the society to get there?

Oh, and as for the centre - I beg to differ. Just look up the Alberta Nanotechnology Institute, for one. The Canadian Light Source in Saskatchewan. The Mazinowski Heart Institute. Alberta Childrens Hospital. . .[/quote] Wow...you guys want a cookie? The advanced tech and medicine cluster in Toronto and Montreal alone is probably larger than that of the ROC put together. An odd facility here and there does not 'centre' make.

   

Very doubtful. Because we have other priorities, like funding healthcare, and we don't want to go back into debt like before.



I remember. It happened to Ralph, 10 years ago. And you guys label the other 4 million of us by one guy addicted to alcohol's actions? And what is Alberta's orientation? We are all people who cannot accept that an addict can reform, and must be branded as an addict forever? Oh, no, wait that's an Ontarian I'm speaking of. That's what I mean, we've come to expect the attitude.



If you knew it, why misquote the facts then? Oh, to make an ad hominem, I see what you did there! And when did I ever do that? Project much?



So, why bring up oil subsidies? Ahh, more ad hominems, I see!



Tell that to the guy who is about to lose his home because he spent too much at Christmas.



Should I be worried about these mad slasher chickens? I just built a new roost last year, there should be lots of room for them.



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Overall, I would agree with Caleb on this topic.

I would typically agree that the center for much of the medical research being done in Canada has historically been in the Southern Ontario region, although I am afraid this is partially personal leanings on my part. A lot of Canada's largest contributions to the field of medical science over the years have come out of Ontario. However, BC has also had quite a bit of involvement as time goes on when it comes to medical research, especially out of UBC.

I also don't doubt that, as a major Canadian city, Toronto would no doubt boost a good deal of industrial research parks and such, although certainly not a monopoly on it. However, one of the reasons Toronto is a major Canadian city is because of the investment of business and development which has gone into Toronto over the years, and as the west grows in prominence we will hopefully continue to see a slow shift away from Ontario-centric control over portions of research, advancement, and the economy as a whole. I think depending on where the money goes, development would more likely go as well, since those provinces will be able to provide the infrastructure for the expansion of what would support research and development far more readily. There are already industrial research services and facilities across Canada -- much more than one or two as well.

I would also disagree that Toronto/Ontario as the center driving force of higher technology innovation currently. BC has had a massive development in research and development over the years. When it comes to research, universities outside of Ontario tend to match or exceed Ontario universities for endowments and endowments per capita, with one or two exceptions, although we still are poor performers when it comes to supporting development (WARNING: PDF FILE). However, things are still a little too shaken up for comparison as well. At a glance, they are at least equal. The G-13 has more members outside Ontario -- the big five has two representative Universities in Ontario, one of which is not in that link above since it does not have the endowments to be listed. This, of course, is not the only measure, I just wanted one I could grab quickly. Research at universities and government facilities account for about 50% of all research spending in Canada, sorry for this link, but the original source was not accessible.

There's likely going to be some lag time as well as things shift around. Well established institutions are not forgotten overnight, but they do not always overshadow what comes after either. There are many research programs in Alberta like the Alberta Heritage Foundation for Medical Research, the Alberta Energy Research Institute or the Alberta Heritage Foundation for Science and Engineering Research, which are just beginning to take hold and expand. Research into many new exciting fields like nanotechnology are taking place outside of Ontario as well. While well established, we cannot assume that advanced technology is centered in Ontario -- I think that BC, Alberta, and Saskatchewan have played a major role in many of the breaking edge programs keeping Canada as a major research center today, from the Canadian Light Source to NEPTUNE Canada to the Centre for Integrated Genomics, and so on. Quebec has also played a major role as well, from ALLS to research icebreakers.

I don't think that Alberta is going to be the new center, or any place a new center. The Waterloo Institute for Nanotechnology, for example, will be joining NINT as an institution in that research field in the future, and there are many other programs in Ontario which will come to rival things set up in the West (like the Institute for Quantum Computing, for example). I have no doubt that Ontario as a whole, and perhaps Toronto in particular, will play a large role in Canadian research and technology as time goes on, but I don't think we will see the center swing back to Ontario as a result of this. Rather, I think for the next while we will see advanced technology move forward on more of a national basis (with the recent expansion of cross Canada programs supporting this), and I think we will see health research expand into the series of new programs developed into the west concurrent with programs already present in Ontario.

And I think that all this will be a good thing for Canadians as a whole. This is all just my opinion, though!

Related Canadian Government Sites: NRCC, NSERC, Innovation Canada

   

I don't call $350 ambulance fees "funding health care". Funny, because just last month, a western-based "market oriented" think tank released a study entitled Ontario Leads and Alberta Lags on Healthcare:

You're right, I think Jack Layton or David Suzuki are just as likely to yell those particular things at a homeless person and that King Ralph's right-wing ideology has absolutely nothing to do with the words that came out of his month. He might have just as easily stumbled into a high-end steakhouse to yell at oil tycoons to "get a Prius". Totally random.


I didn't misquote any facts, you're just not understanding. I'm not pissing on Alberta because I have some inexplicable animosity to provinces with agriculture and fossil-fuel based economies. I'm pissing on Alberta because you get one city with 1 million plus people and an economy booming from a couple of non-renewable commodities and all of a sudden you think you're the light of the new world or something. Auto sector is big, but Ontario's economy is diverse. More importantly, we're the centre of the nations' financial sector. Call me when you guys get a stock exchange or even a friggin national bank. Not to mention we have the most diverse economy in Canada and most of the nation's largest companies are here, not there. I can't remember the last time I had to call a company between 9am and 5pm Mountain Time.

Because you talk about youroil wealth, and bitch about equalization as if tax dollars from the rest of Canada had nothing to do with to with your new-found dirty fortune.

This is just dumb. According to your logic, the only way to not lose your home is to have zero debt at all times? How do you think people buy houses to begin with? It's about responsible debt, which you have incorrectly defined as "zero". Besides, government debt is not the same as personal debt. You think the bank is going to repossess the Rocky Mountains the minute you don't produce a balance budget or something? [/quote]




Replacing taxes with user fees is by definition shifting the burden of costs from tax revenue to individuals. No Citation Needed...or are you looking for verfication to the statement that "There are real costs to making health care and education less accessible and more costly?". That's even more self-explanatory.



Well I said "probably" so no, a citation isn't technically needed. I'm sure I could dig one up, but come on do you really need one? Look at the number of leading research universities and hospitals in southern Ontario. See all the national and multi-national companies that call Ontario home, even many of your precious petrochemical and energy companies. There are more people in the GTA alone than in your entire province. I don't claim that we have a monopoly on all innovation and research, but there's more of it here than anywhere else in Canada.

   

*Zzzzzzzzzz*

   

I grow weary of this coversation, there are pros and cons to every province and the bitching back and forth between citizens is retarded, leave it for the polliticans folks.

BF, your problem seems to be that you think all of Alberta thinks we are better than the east, then you turn around and try to tells us all why Ontario is better than Alberta, to me your arguments valid or not make you no better than the person that wrote the original offending (to you) editorial.

   

BF is offended by the article because "The truth hurts, eh Beave"!

   

He's from Toronto so he automatically think the earth revolves around him!

   

   

Could be on both points, I don't really put much stock in Editorial pieces myself though, too biased and opinionated.

   

Nah, I didn't even read the article, I'm just on this thread for shits and giggles mostly. I don't even think Ontario is so great, it definitely has its flaws! I have no REAL beef with Alberta, just sick and tired of some Albertans who suddenly think they're the new 'centre of the universe' just because the tar underneath them currently holds some value and one of their cities now has a million ppl. My only point is that there are definitely downsides and shortcomings with Alberta's "economic engine".

   

2 cities have a million people. Metro Edmonton hit a million a few years ago actually.

   

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