Canada Kicks Ass
Reserve dogs desperately need help! Any ideas?

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canuckygirl @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:56 pm



After having seen dogs on Reserves shot and killed, I feel I need to do something to stop this senseless killing. It really does not make Canada look good. I mean, they do this type of thing in third (excuse me, developing) countries. Is Canada a developing country? I have tried getting the individual Bands to do something but they refuse. The SPCA won't help either! When I lived on a Reserve I saw little puppies abused, starved, frozen to death. Once the puppies get past the puppy stage and aren't so 'cute' they are left to fend for themselves and of course - they become wild. Then, they are shot because they are hungry, and mean because people throw rocks and kick at them. First Nations say it's their business and it's how they deal with the dog population issue. But killling an animal is a criminal offense for anyone else. I'd sure appreciate any suggestions anyone may have! I'd like to focus on Reserves in the outback of BC, since they are the most isolated (and I live in BC, but near Vancouver now). Please help the dogs! :cry:

   



kerfuffled @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:08 pm

We're havin a hard enough time dealing with the people problem on the reserves, the dogs are going to have to take a number, sweetieImage

   



bossdog @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:11 pm

that may have been a little cold. there has to be a way to transport them to other communities for adoption. If not, an advertised adoption drive to outlaying areas may work.

   



canuckygirl @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:16 pm

I understand that, having lived there. Some Reserves have the people problem a bit more under control and some have figured out the dog problem too, without killing them. I have videos & material for the kids to read in school that would help with their being afraid of dogs. I just don't like to see the violence happening with animals. The kids see it and think it's ok. Violence as you know, is one of the biggest problems, caused by drugs/alcohol of course. But somehow that cycle has to stop. If we can just start with the dogs and teach the kids a better way, isn't that a beginning? There is a proven link between kids hurting animals and growing up to be abusers. Can I do anything to help? Let me know ok?

   



kerfuffled @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:19 pm

bossdog bossdog:
that may have been a little cold. there has to be a way to transport them to other communities for adoption. If not, an advertised adoption drive to outlaying areas may work.

All in fun 'dog:wink: , but is your solution really viable? Seems like that would be a lot of effort and $$$ and no real solution. How about licenses like the rest of us. Make people accountable for their dogs.How about sterilization? Wouldn't that be easier?

   



bossdog @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:25 pm

I think sterilization would be more expensive than a bundle of flyers. I don't know how the finances or politics work on a reserve but it seems like money is tight and time is loose. Do some leg work, photo copy some flyers, drive out to out-laying communities and organize an adoption drive. Keep it cheap to make it worthwhile. Or, they can just keep shooting the puppies but I beleive that 100 flyers is cheaper than a fistful of bullets.

I'm sure you're not a cold guy but I'm a dog lover that's active in the SPCA - let's call it a soft spot that you didn't know about :wink:

   



kerfuffled @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:26 pm

canuckygirl canuckygirl:
I understand that, having lived there. Some Reserves have the people problem a bit more under control and some have figured out the dog problem too, without killing them. I have videos & material for the kids to read in school that would help with their being afraid of dogs. I just don't like to see the violence happening with animals. The kids see it and think it's ok. Violence as you know, is one of the biggest problems, caused by drugs/alcohol of course. But somehow that cycle has to stop. If we can just start with the dogs and teach the kids a better way, isn't that a beginning? There is a proven link between kids hurting animals and growing up to be abusers. Can I do anything to help? Let me know ok?

Usually if you get the parents to shape up the kids will follow. However, I believe the dog problem is a by product of life on the reserves. Some reserves are in a better position to deal with social problems than others. My advice would be to start at the top and go down. Get the parents in on it and maybe the kids will follow.Image

   



canuckygirl @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:27 pm

The photo of the dog that I posted with my first post is from one of those northern BC Reserves. He would be dead if I had left him there. He's only about 2 yrs old. Isn't he a sweetie? He has gained a lot of weight since we dognapped him! We also rescued another dog and adopted him out.......but I just know there are dogs freezing to death as I type. They are beautiful dogs, loving and eventually trusting. Your idea of posting adoption posters is a good one....but the nearest town to this Reserve is over 500 km. Talk about isolated. What they (First Nations) need is a mobile spay and neuter van but I could not get Indian Affairs interested in sponsoring that! Imagine that! These dogs are not vaccinated either, which poses a health problem for people in the community, especially young kids who just come up to any dog to pet them (or throw a rock). The government seems to have money for everything else for First Nations, but protecting First Nations against rabies/diseased dogs (other than shooting them) isn't a priority. A mobile van is what is needed......and education.....

   



canuckygirl @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:30 pm

kerfuffled kerfuffled:
bossdog bossdog:
that may have been a little cold. there has to be a way to transport them to other communities for adoption. If not, an advertised adoption drive to outlaying areas may work.

All in fun 'dog:wink: , but is your solution really viable? Seems like that would be a lot of effort and $$$ and no real solution. How about licenses like the rest of us. Make people accountable for their dogs.How about sterilization? Wouldn't that be easier?


Sadly the SPCA in BC will do nothing. I have contacted them many, many times, to no avail. Too far, they said. They also use the excuse that they need permission to go onto a Reserve. Not true! You have any clout in the SPCA? Could you talk to someone about this?

   



MaelstromRider @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:32 pm

Ummmmm..... maybe we could worry about the doggies after we unravel the generations of damage that were caused by the horrible failure of the Residential School social engineering experiment.

I dunno, but in my mind the doggies can wait.

   



bossdog @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:33 pm

If you go further north into the NT or YK you should easlily be able to get a grant for a non-profit organiztion. So start one. Do your homework, talk to your MP's and you'll be able to fix this problem...but only if you are truly passionate about it.

   



bossdog @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:34 pm

MaelstromRider MaelstromRider:
Ummmmm..... maybe we could worry about the doggies after we unravel the generations of damage that were caused by the horrible failure of the Residential School social engineering experiment.

I dunno, but in my mind the doggies can wait.


Different people, different priorities, that's what makes this country great.

   



kerfuffled @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:36 pm

bossdog bossdog:
I think sterilization would be more expensive than a bundle of flyers. I don't know how the finances or politics work on a reserve but it seems like money is tight and time is loose. Do some leg work, photo copy some flyers, drive out to out-laying communities and organize an adoption drive. Keep it cheap to make it worthwhile. Or, they can just keep shooting the puppies but I beleive that 100 flyers is cheaper than a fistful of bullets.

I'm sure you're not a cold guy but I'm a dog lover that's active in the SPCA - let's call it a soft spot that you didn't know about :wink:

I like and own dogs too but I know that the problem really is far greater than a dog problem. And I will put the humans ahead of the dogs most of the time. :oops:
She is right about a spay and neuter program. But she is also right about trying to get IA involved. They can't take care of the people adequately, how can they take care of the dogs?Image

   



kerfuffled @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:37 pm

bossdog bossdog:
MaelstromRider MaelstromRider:
Ummmmm..... maybe we could worry about the doggies after we unravel the generations of damage that were caused by the horrible failure of the Residential School social engineering experiment.

I dunno, but in my mind the doggies can wait.


Different people, different priorities, that's what makes this country great.

Dogs can't vote :D

   



bossdog @ Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:38 pm

Again, different people, different priorities, that's what makes this country great. Who are we to judge how a reserve governs itself?

   



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