Canada Kicks Ass
Stop Signs Suck and We Should Get Rid of Them

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Scape @ Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:08 pm

   



Scape @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:34 am



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnyeRlMsTgI

   



bootlegga @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:45 am

Scape Scape:


Yeah, no.



Scape Scape:


This guy sometimes makes some good points, but he always acts like London, ON is synonymous with everywhere in North America.

Yes, some cities suck at TOD, but there are lots that don't, like Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton and Toronto to name just a few.

   



DrCaleb @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:53 am

^^^ I'm with Boots. The purpose of a stop is to get your vision looking for moving objects. You can't do that while you are moving too. If you don't want stop signs, you have to build all kinds of lights or merge lanes. Which costs more.

Just stop, count 3, look all ways and continue. You aren't going to cure cancer in those 4 seconds, but you may prevent yourself having life changing injuries.

   



raydan @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:30 pm

When everybody figures out how to navigate roundabouts* (which eliminates lights and stop signs), we'll see what we can do about the other stop signs.

*or roundaboots :wink:

   



DrCaleb @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:38 pm

I have one just down the street from me, and a large percentage of people seem to not realize it is a one way. :roll:

   



DrCaleb @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:41 pm

I also have an intersection nearby where bicycles will run a perpendicular stop on a side road while cars are at a red light turning right. They always swear at the car because they run the stop sign and the car can't see them until they do. :roll:

   



bootlegga @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:08 pm

raydan raydan:
When everybody figures out how to navigate roundabouts* (which eliminates lights and stop signs), we'll see what we can do about the other stop signs.

*or roundaboots :wink:


I have no problem with replacing four way stops with roundabouts - they can handle a lot of traffic safely and efficiently.

FWIW, Alberta has been adding them to the highway network for more than a decade and offers these tips:

   



herbie @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:48 pm

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I also have an intersection nearby where bicycles will run a perpendicular stop on a side road while cars are at a red light turning right. They always swear at the car because they run the stop sign and the car can't see them until they do. :roll:

And most of the rest don't know how they work. Just sit at one until everyone else has gone at a 4 way.
As you come into our town there's a 3 way stop. You can tell the visitors, they stop because everyone else is stopped thinking they missed their stop sign.... when they were building the mine you'd see a heavy hauler suddenly lock them up and you could feel the ground shake.

The 1st video is entirely from the POV of a bicyclist, cars should stop. That blind spot often hides and oncoming car and there have been many car accidents from not stopping.

   



Strutz @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:23 pm

Roundabouts make sense for many reasons and I'm surprised there aren't more of them.

   



raydan @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:06 pm

They're easier to understand with those dividers. A lot of the first roundabouts in Europe have nothing.

   



herbie @ Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:46 pm

Look at the picture. There's 4 corner lots that would be there if that was a 4 way stop.
There's a few roundabouts in Vancouver so small and tight I cold never have driven Dad's old 67 Polara wagon around one.

   



Scape @ Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:22 pm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ByEBjf ... WL&index=6

   



DrCaleb @ Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:25 pm

Crossing the street is dangerous because, like stop signs, no one is paying attention and no one is enforcing them.

   



Strutz @ Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:54 pm

I've always been a "defensive" pedestrian and I NEVER assume people will stop regardless if there is a light or stop sign to tell them so. I've had a few close calls but knock wood, no one's smoked me yet.

Over the years I've seen several times people driving through an intersection against a red light, as if it isn't there... amazingly never causing an accident that I've witnessed, but sure as hell causing other drivers to have to take evasive measures.

   



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