The Cost of Poverty
cougar @ Fri May 06, 2011 9:54 am
Quote: No, a responsible government balances the needs of the country with the stark reality that if they don't allow for people to create and accumulate taxable wealth then there will be no way to pay for all those nice things you want.
I do not quite follow here.
Let me pay my taxes after earning my legitimae 75,000-100,000/year instead of being pushed down to the line of poverty where I collect all my taxes back plus different forms of government assistance; I do not mind that at all.
In my opinion the government can exercise control on supply and demand for labor (thus cost) and some of the essentials of life, like housing, child care and basic food items.
Charging rent of 800-1,000/month for a unit in a wooden "bungaloo" is ridiculous (in fact criminal).
I agree with the original article, a society where there is massive gaping holes between rich and poor, or too many poor, pays dearly. The rich will pay too.
One only has to look at Latin America. Rich barely pay taxes, there are legions of impoverished, and a crime rate of civil war like proportions. The rich live in compounds and gated communities and are constantly fearing for their lives.
Cougar do you have "Canadian" professional experience? Canadian employers will reject you if you haven't worked in Canada professionally. You may need to opt for a multi-national firm with foreign hiring managers who don't care about Canadian experience. That's sadly how it works here, this is regardless of whether you're from Europe or Africa.
andyt @ Fri May 06, 2011 10:31 am
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
I agree with the original article, a society where there is massive gaping holes between rich and poor, or too many poor, pays dearly. The rich will pay too.
One only has to look at Latin America. Rich barely pay taxes, there are legions of impoverished, and a crime rate of civil war like proportions. The rich live in compounds and gated communities and are constantly fearing for their lives.
Cougar do you have "Canadian" professional experience? Canadian employers will reject you if you haven't worked in Canada professionally. You may need to opt for a multi-national firm with foreign hiring managers who don't care about Canadian experience. That's sadly how it works here, this is regardless of whether you're from Europe or Africa.
Absolutely. And may I make a pitch for my other post, which so far has not had any replies - How paying people’s way out of poverty can help us all
andyt andyt:
Absolutely. And may I make a pitch for my other post, which so far has not had any replies - How paying people’s way out of poverty can help us all
Don't bother.
cougar @ Fri May 06, 2011 10:37 am
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Cougar do you have "Canadian" professional experience? Canadian employers will reject you if you haven't worked in Canada professionally.
Yes, I do - 3 years in an engineering position, another 3 in odd factory jobs plus some small contracts.
Again, one cannot be bringing hundreds of thousands of people in, then telling them they have no Canadian experience. It just isn't right. If they really needed people, the company recruiters should have a desk at the airport right after the customs and immigration, interviewing immigrants and hiring them on the spot.
andyt @ Fri May 06, 2011 10:40 am
cougar cougar:
If they really needed people, the company recruiters should have a desk at the airport right after the customs and immigration, interviewing immigrants and hiring them on the spot.

That's what immigration more or less tells prospective immigrants. It got to the point where one couple sued the govt for false advertising, tho of course it didn't succeed.
40% of professionals who immigrate to Canada leave again. 40%. Nuts
andyt @ Fri May 06, 2011 10:50 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
andyt andyt:
Absolutely. And may I make a pitch for my other post, which so far has not had any replies - How paying people’s way out of poverty can help us all
Don't bother.
Too late, already did.
cougar @ Fri May 06, 2011 10:55 am
andyt andyt:
That's what immigration more or less tells prospective immigrants. It got to the point where one couple sued the govt for false advertising, tho of course it didn't succeed.
40% of professionals who immigrate to Canada leave again. 40%. Nuts
Such cases against the government are unlikely to be successful as there are millions of people who can then claim compensation.
What I was hoping for was CIC were going to reconsider their practices. They did not!
Well, one has to take their sh***ty pants and put them up to their nose to sniff.
Let me know what you think of this site:
http://www.dsc-gc.comThere is some good sound that needs to be turned on (except on the front page)
cougar cougar:
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Cougar do you have "Canadian" professional experience? Canadian employers will reject you if you haven't worked in Canada professionally.
Yes, I do - 3 years in an engineering position, another 3 in odd factory jobs plus some small contracts.
Again, one cannot be bringing hundreds of thousands of people in, then telling them they have no Canadian experience. It just isn't right. If they really needed people, the company recruiters should have a desk at the airport right after the customs and immigration, interviewing immigrants and hiring them on the spot.

I'm sure you could find work outside of your field of interest to make ends meet. Have you looked at other options besides IT work?
fifeboy @ Fri May 06, 2011 11:14 am
cougar cougar:
Gunnair Gunnair:
I must have missed that part that said government was supposed to pay for housing. Don't I feel the fool for paying a mortgage these last many years.
Ideally, one should not be relying on any affordable housing programs or subsidies.
If you have two incomes in the family, this should be enough to cover basic expenses you should be able to save some money for the times you may be out of work.
But for us it is not working. We are losing money even when we both work. Even when we do not go anywhere and do not do anything fancy.
So, in my opinion (which may be incorrect), the government is depressing the wages through inundating the job market with fresh labor force and is then using some of the money collected through taxes to help those that were pushed to the brink of extinction. Unfortunately, by doing that and applying more and more pressure, there are too many families that end up on the bottom. Only very few profit in this game.
Hey Coug. How's the foot?
cougar @ Fri May 06, 2011 11:17 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
cougar cougar:
I'm sure you could find work outside of your field of interest to make ends meet. Have you looked at other options besides IT work?
I've looked everywhere. Last summer I was applying to labor position in construction, grocery stores, anything. The problem is this was not the deal. I did not come to this country to be doing this type of work and be unable to make ends meet. I would never look down at people doing construction work; it is hard labor and it requires skills too. It is just that I cannot last in such jobs longer than 12 months.
cougar @ Fri May 06, 2011 11:20 am
fifeboy fifeboy:
Hey Coug. How's the foot?
Still limping (at home only). With the shoes on, I'm fine. Thanks.
andyt @ Fri May 06, 2011 11:20 am
cougar cougar:
andyt andyt:
That's what immigration more or less tells prospective immigrants. It got to the point where one couple sued the govt for false advertising, tho of course it didn't succeed.
40% of professionals who immigrate to Canada leave again. 40%. Nuts
Such cases against the government are unlikely to be successful as there are millions of people who can then claim compensation.
What I was hoping for was CIC were going to reconsider their practices. They did not!
Well, one has to take their sh***ty pants and put them up to their nose to sniff.
Let me know what you think of this site:
http://www.dsc-gc.comThere is some good sound that needs to be turned on (except on the front page)
thanks for that. A lot to take in, I'll read it at leisure.
Here's one back at ya:
http://www.immigrationreform.ca/index.shtml
cougar cougar:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
cougar cougar:
I'm sure you could find work outside of your field of interest to make ends meet. Have you looked at other options besides IT work?
I've looked everywhere. Last summer I was applying to labor position in construction, grocery stores, anything. The problem is this was not the deal. I did not come to this country to be doing this type of work and be unable to make ends meet. I would never look down at people doing construction work; it is hard labor and it requires skills too. It is just that I cannot last in such jobs longer than 12 months.
With respect, perhaps its your standard of living that needs the adjustment. Canada doesn't owe you a good living within your preferred line of work.
Even working in a grocery store would land you more money than what you're currently making.
andyt @ Fri May 06, 2011 11:33 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
With respect, perhaps its your standard of living that needs the adjustment. Canada doesn't owe you a good living within your preferred line of work.
Or as you put it so eloquently the other day:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Sure does. Don't have an education, don't speak English and have the social skills of a skunk than be prepared to take it up the ass, no lube.
