The sad, painful truth about the rioters’ true identities
andyt @ Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:30 am
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/gary_mason/the-sad-painful-truth-about-the-rioters-true-identities/article2066321/
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While police and politicians continue to lay the blame for this week’s Stanley Cup riot in Vancouver on professional anarchists and hardened thugs with deep-seated criminal tendencies, the blogosphere and social networks such as Facebook have been revealing a much more uncomfortable truth.
Many of those who participated in the riot were not these types of people at all. They were, in many instances, the sons and daughters of good, upstanding citizens who today must still be in shock over what they’ve learned. The picture of a young man attempting to set a police cruiser on fire by lighting a rag stuffed in its gas tank has received widespread Internet attention. He’s been identified as an academic all-star who was supposed to be heading to the U.S. in fall on a water polo scholarship.
Water Polo Canada announced Friday that the 17-year-old has been suspended as a member of the junior men’s national team. He has apparently turned himself into police, although the Vancouver Police Department refused to confirm this.
The parents of another 17-year-old high school student from Burnaby, B.C., forced their son to give himself up after a photo surfaced that showed him looting a high-end fashion store. A teacher at an area high school told me Friday that students were abuzz over shots posted on Facebook of classmates riding home on the Canada Line holding items obtained during the looting.
By the time the investigation into this week’s Stanley Cup riot wraps up, there will be dozens of people implicated in the disturbance who do not fit the narrow profile of the riot perpetrator that public authorities have created. The fact is, it’s easier to blame hooligans and professional nihilists for what happened than confront the more disturbing possibility that under unique conditions that wonderful teenaged boy who lives next door is capable of coming unglued.
The identities of many of these young people are now being revealed by others who have recognized them in photos and videos that have surfaced online or been published by media outlets. This has created some ugly tension of its own.
Those revealing the names of people seen in the photos have, in some cases, been threatened and intimidated by friends of the rioters upset that their pals have been outed.
Underlying this dynamic, however, is the more pressing reality that we all must begin to grapple with soon. That is that hundreds of otherwise normal, seemingly well-adjusted kids looked at the riot as an opportunity for a type of social and cultural timeout where the normal rules of behaviour and social interaction did not apply.
Richard Gruneau, a professor in the school of communications at Simon Fraser University, said Friday that one thing that has struck him about the continual references to hooligans and anarchists being responsible for most of the damage is the extent to which that characterization papers over the banality of the bad behaviour.
“It seems pretty clear that those guys jumping up and down on cars, screaming at cops, tearing off shirts and making spectacular displays of their masculine credentials: ‘Dude, look at me, I actually jumped on a flaming car and everyone cheered,’ are actually the sons of good solid suburban citizens,” said Prof. Gruneau. “Some of them are likely our students.”
For Prof. Gruneau, watching the riot on television was like watching a bizarre reality television show where the performers kick, punch, destroy and attempt to steal as much as they can before police close in. Like Jackass on speed.
While it certainly seems plausible, and maybe even likely, that Wednesday’s riot may have been incited by a small group of insurgents expert at taking advantage of potentially violent situations, it’s impossible to say exactly how much of the damage was caused by these small-time hoods and losers. That is, as opposed to that larger and amorphous group of mostly male twenty-somethings (and younger in many cases) with too much booze in their systems and carrying a repressed need to display their masculine identity.
Many years ago, a study by criminologist Alan Listiak into poor fan behaviour during Grey Cup week suggested that the truly oppressed are often the least likely to exhibit the kind of actions witnessed in Vancouver this week. Rather, time and again in North America, violent behaviour at festivals and sporting events tended to be more accurately identified as “middle class blowouts” than rational political protests.
“This riot is not the result of one single factor,” said Prof. Gruneau. “It is an ensemble and certainly far too complicated to explain in a soundbite. At the very least to say that it had anything to do with hockey as a game leaves far too much out of the account.”
And doesn’t begin to address the question of who was responsible for much of the violence that we witnessed.
Bart Simpson Bart Simpson:
So you've got kids who get out of the feminized schools and discover that they like being (shockingly, this may be news to some) men and they savor the testosterone charged environment of competitive sports not just for the thrill, but for the fact that such an expression of manhood has been forbidden to them by society.
And then these kids have no sense of right and wrong which might serve to contain their excesses and so what you end up with are runaway thugs.
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and carrying a repressed need to display their masculine identity.
Yup, sounds about right.
DanSC @ Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:57 pm
It's worth noting that the water polo player had a scholarship to the University of Calgary, not an American University. We funnel the criminals from water polo to football.
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By the time the investigation into this week’s Stanley Cup riot wraps up, there will be dozens of people implicated in the disturbance who do not fit the narrow profile of the riot perpetrator that public authorities have created. The fact is, it’s easier to blame hooligans and professional nihilists for what happened than confront the more disturbing possibility that under unique conditions that wonderful teenaged boy who lives next door is capable of coming unglued.
And this is news how?
Teenagers have always been capable of comming unglued and for them the pack mentality is as strong as it was when I was one. The only difference being is we wouldn't ever have thought of doing something like this because of two simple factors that appear to be absent in todays politically correct unisex society:
FEAR AND RESPECT
All of this can be easily summed up:
Mob rule is addictive and the young who are very impressionable can not only easily get sucked into the frenzy, but due to the amount of chaos & confusion going on around them, it's easy to think everything is a free-for-all with no consequences.... so why not jump in and have some fun?
I wouldn't equate what happened as a lack of "fear & respect," as riots and the like are nothing new and have occurred over dumber things..... nor would I attribute it to "carrying a repressed need to display their masculine identity," as there were plenty of females in those photos too.
It's much more rudimentary then that....
It's plain simple stupidity.
Stupidity in thinking they could get away with it, and stupidity in thinking that they'd be cool by bragging about it on the internet & taking photos like some trophy hunt.
andyt @ Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:25 pm
Praxius Praxius:
All of this can be easily summed up:
Mob rule is addictive and the young who are very impressionable can not only easily get sucked into the frenzy, but due to the amount of chaos & confusion going on around them, it's easy to think everything is a free-for-all with no consequences.... so why not jump in and have some fun?
I wouldn't equate what happened as a lack of "fear & respect," as riots and the like are nothing new and have occurred over dumber things..... nor would I attribute it to "carrying a repressed need to display their masculine identity," as there were plenty of females in those photos too.
It's much more rudimentary then that....
It's plain simple stupidity.
Stupidity in thinking they could get away with it, and stupidity in thinking that they'd be cool by bragging about it on the internet & taking photos like some trophy hunt.
The water polo guy summed it up. He was being an idiot, he has no explanation why, nor any excuse. He just got caught up in the excitement of the moment. Could probably happen to a lot of us at that age.
This water polo guy is doing the right thing. He appealed to the court so his identity can be revealed (he's under age), he came forward and admitted to what he did. If he now pleads guilty to whatever he's charged with, I would be all for the judge taking that into account at sentencing time.
Water polo boy and family have had to leave their home because they've been threatened. That's just the same mentality that went into the riot. Wouldn't surprise me if some of the rioters are now turning around and playing holier than thou.
Stupidity did play a part for some but, for the rest, by posting their photos destroying downtown Vancouver all over the net and bragging about how they did it, seems to me to be more of a lack of fear of reprucussion than just plain old stupid
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Hell everyone of these thuds knows that short of murdering and eating someone, you're not gonna get any appreciable time so why not go for it.
They figure they'll get some bleeding heart judge and be home by noon on court day, which is likely how it'll all play out anyway.
andyt @ Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:36 pm
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Stupidity did play a part for some but, for the rest, by posting their photos destroying downtown Vancouver all over the net and bragging about how they did it, seems to me to be more of a lack of fear of reprucussion than just plain old stupid
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Hell everyone of these thuds knows that short of murdering and eating someone, you're not gonna get any appreciable time so why not go for it.
They figure they'll get some bleeding heart judge and be home by noon on court day, which is likely how it'll all play out anyway.
I think you have a point. I posted a Mike Smyth opinion piece that says much the same thing. Christie Clark's posturing after the fact doesn't mean much if the justice system just gives these guys a slap on the wrist. I think the most effective punishment would be a public shaming. Make these guys do the most disgusting jobs we can find (cleaning the public toilet at Hastings and Main if it's still there, say) and make a FB page with their pics on a wall of shame.
Brenda @ Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:50 pm
The difference between when we were young and stupid and now is that only the people you were with knew exactly what happened, and the rest was hearsay. Now you can't fart without Australia knowing about it. Teens and early twenty-ers are just as stupid as we were then.
andyt andyt:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Stupidity did play a part for some but, for the rest, by posting their photos destroying downtown Vancouver all over the net and bragging about how they did it, seems to me to be more of a lack of fear of reprucussion than just plain old stupid
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Hell everyone of these thuds knows that short of murdering and eating someone, you're not gonna get any appreciable time so why not go for it.
They figure they'll get some bleeding heart judge and be home by noon on court day, which is likely how it'll all play out anyway.
I think you have a point. I posted a Mike Smyth opinion piece that says much the same thing. Christie Clark's posturing after the fact doesn't mean much if the justice system just gives these guys a slap on the wrist. I think the most effective punishment would be a public shaming. Make these guys do the most disgusting jobs we can find (cleaning the public toilet at Hastings and Main if it's still there, say) and make a FB page with their pics on a wall of shame.
Gotta love Sheriff Joe Arpaio's methods of dealing with criminals.
How about a tent city right downtown for them to live in with only the Disney Channel on the TV, one hot meal a day and some pretty pink jumpsuits to wear so the public can definately identify them while they're spending their entire day cleaning up the downtown core.
I wonder how the tourists would like to see a couple of hundred pink clad morons marched around the City picking up refuse.
Alas it's nice to dream but it won't happen because it would likely be considered a cruel and unusual punishment by alot of our judiciary.
andyt andyt:
The water polo guy summed it up. He was being an idiot, he has no explanation why, nor any excuse. He just got caught up in the excitement of the moment. Could probably happen to a lot of us at that age.
This water polo guy is doing the right thing. He appealed to the court so his identity can be revealed (he's under age), he came forward and admitted to what he did. If he now pleads guilty to whatever he's charged with, I would be all for the judge taking that into account at sentencing time.
Water polo boy and family have had to leave their home because they've been threatened. That's just the same mentality that went into the riot. Wouldn't surprise me if some of the rioters are now turning around and playing holier than thou.
Agreed.... at least he's
doing the right thing, even though what he
did was wrong.
And the clowns trying to use the mob mentality on him is a tad on the hypocritical side.