These are people who's faith in our growth as a nation and developing some sort of sovereign recognition is in some cases left to lack of choice regarding their personal future and prosperity ( hard to blame one for that )and in other cases neglect and distaste toward some , most or all that Canada represents. Quite often Canada can be nothing more than an escape from elsewhere to exploit and take advantage of its social privileges whenever the need arises is the most common scenario .
What do you think ?
To me its putting down what your country is and no matter what party is in power continualy bashing how the country is run. I really hated clintons admin. yet I could rationaly sit down and look at the rest of the world and come up with only a couple countries that I would even think of living in. Canada being one of them. When it comes to it IMO if your so upset with how your country is, the way its ran and what it stands for. Your more then welcome to go to what ever country fits your idea of what is right. Just don't come back crying about how they dont do this and or that like they did back in your country that you bashed so much while being there.
Some times I wished that the major complainers of how the country (US or Canada) is run, would go to another country say in S. America, middle east, Asia and see how things are there. Stay for at least 6 months then come back. I'm willing to bet they will appreciate what they have and not complain so much.
Not exactly what your looking for but thats what came to mind when I read your post Banff.
Does one have the ability to discern criticism from being anti-(insert nationality here)?
Nationalists certainly do not. Nationalists will take any criticism and twist it into an alleged hatefilled rant. There are three "guidelines" I personally use to differentiate constructive criticism from outright hatred towards a country and its people;
1) An antagonism towards the country that is systemic, seeing it as being inevtiably flawed and/or evil.
2) Views that greatly exaggerate a country's shortcomings.
3) A misperception of a country's society which falsely portrays them as malevolent or ridiculous.
I've read in a few posts claiming GFPB is anti-Canadian, quite frankly, he's the only one so far (that I have paid attention to anyway) that I would call a true patriot of Canada. I can name a few others of course, but I have to go to work. Well Wullu comes to mind also.
GFPB, has the ability to see what his country is (from his perspective) and love his country at the same time, even though he has been a harsh critic. He needs not come up with myths and fantastic stories to make his country appealing. For me, that's a true patriot.
Who's anti-(anything), aside from my personal general guideline, someone who makes excuses or refuses to see the truth, that is the worst anti-(anything) you can find.
Being a nationalist is just as sick as being anti-(anything), both are driven by hatred. And it is usually the nationalists that run around pointing out anti-(anything) to everyone else.
This uber-canuck medal you guys have here, has developed into a sham of sorts. I realize its a forum, but it should be considered a badge of honor to have that medal. Seeing some of the posters that have it, degrades the entire thing into joke. Very few that I have seen deserve it. Very few. I realize this is only my opinion, but thats what forums are for I suppose.
From my point of view, the worst anti-Canadian (or whatever nationality you like to insert) is the Canadian nationalist.
Gotta go to work. Have a nice day!
GFPB a "true patriot"? I dunno, that idea gives me the willies. Perhaps he has a love for Canada, but his ideas on what Canada is/should be does not inspire me at all.
Back on topic: Only those who advocate the end of a Country are truly "Anti". Separatists within a Country for example or those calling for a Country's destruction from afar(Al Queda for eg). Criticism of Political Parties or Government Policies doesn't reach the same level.
'Criticism of Political Parties or Government Policies doesn't reach the same level.'
But Sandorski, advocating say an Islamic style gov. for Canada by a Canadian do to their not liking how the country is run by any of the political parties is IMO being Anti-Canadian. Thats what I had in mind in my previous post.
And NO before someone trys to say that Sandorski is advocating that type of change he's not nor am I accusing him of advocating it.
What really is being Anti Canadian
The LPC. Thank God they are gone.
Criticism of Political Parties or Government Policies doesn't reach the same level.'
Personally I agree it isn't Criticism at all but rather the actions . A good point would be something such as the contraversial 1in9 Doctors heading to the US for a higher income .
Actions speak louder than words , if ones contribution to Canada doesn't balance out .
I know there is a huge variety of circumstances and variables to this , including immigration , both whitey and native land rights , and so forth but that about sums up my focus on the issue .
Anti-Canadian is anyone who lives in this country and openly states that he/she is NOT Canadian. Anti-Canadian is anyone who uses the very system that made this country against it.
Anti-Canadian is anyone who claims to be here first and does not acknowledge those who came later.
Anti-Canadian.
You know when you speak out against your country many people say you are anti-Canadian.
I think one who says what's wrong with his country and how to improve it is Patriotic.
Otherwise, why do we have Freedom of Speech?