CANADA’S DIRTY HANDS
sasquatch2 @ Sat May 19, 2007 9:33 pm
Baylee/Segment/Ladybug
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So funny to see RW,s trying to descredit a very well respected man like Margolis
"a very well respected man like Margolis"
hahahahah heee hee hee hahahahah heee hee hee hahahahah heee hee hee hahahahah heee hee hee
really too funny!!!!!
Johnny_Utah @ Mon May 21, 2007 4:41 pm
Calgary123 Calgary123:
How correct he is when saying that our conservative leadership only wishes to snuggle up closer to the Bush crime family, and in the process... stumbled ignorantly into a pointless occupation that is only punishing the Afghan people. Once our government chose to participate in these actions, we have now become complicit in it's fallout.
And for what?
So we can puff out our chests, and pat each other on the back for kicking some terrorist butt?
The whole war is a fraud to begin with... The people of Afghanistan had nothing to do with 911, and by getting involved in other countries affairs through the use of a military is dangerous business. We have now lowered ourselves into the slop that the Americans wallow in.
Kudo's for Mr. Margolis, and his accurate representation of what is really happening, minus the fluff and stuff about fighting bogeymen with TNT wrapped around their waist. The reality of these actions is far more complex and brutal.
And for what?
So we can puff out our chests, and pat each other on the back for kicking some terrorist butt?
The whole war is a fraud to begin with... The people of Afghanistan had nothing to do with 911, and by getting involved in other countries affairs through the use of a military is dangerous business. We have now lowered ourselves into the slop that the Americans wallow in.
Kudo's for Mr. Margolis, and his accurate representation of what is really happening, minus the fluff and stuff about fighting bogeymen with TNT wrapped around their waist. The reality of these actions is far more complex and brutal.
You're intelligent as Rosie'Ching Chong' O'Donnell as the both of you have no idea what you're talking about..
Afghanistan was a base of operations for Al Qaeda where an estimated 20,000 Terrorists were trained during the 90's while being protected by the Taliban..
If Liberals like you had you're way the Taliban would still be in power publicly executing women in a Soccer Stadium while protecting Al Qaeda. Thankfully Liberals like you will never have you're way which is appeasement to Terrorists, infact calling you a Liberal insults other Liberals on this board who have more sense than you..
sasquatch2 @ Mon May 21, 2007 4:55 pm
Yeah! What he said....
There are Liberals and there are LIBRANOs......
icekarma2752 @ Mon May 21, 2007 6:23 pm
well since it was chretian that put us in afghanistan it makes me feel a lot better about denoucing our presence there..one member said the afghan ppl are grateful we're there...why?? do they get a one-way ticket to canada or the usa as well as automatic citizenship once bush is satisfied the taliban is completely out of commission..and speaking of the taliban..sorry but i'm just too convinced they no longer pose any threat.no one is supplying them any weapons that are of any consequence,they have no allies or at least any potent ones,they have no political influence and they offer their adherents absolutely nothing but death.and whats basically happening to our tax dollars is we're paying to shoot "gophers"..and thats exactly what its like out there..you shoot one taliban...two more will pop up out of another hole..and finally we're no closer to catching bin laden that we were right after 9/11
ridenrain @ Mon May 21, 2007 6:56 pm
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Horrors beyond detainee abuse
SCOTT TAYLOR
WHILE TRAVELLING through Afghanistan the past couple of weeks and interviewing Afghan officials from various factions, it became apparent that the brewing scandal over detainee abuse is virtually a non-issue outside of Canada.
Even former Taliban spokesman Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef said he regarded the whole matter as insignificant. Instead of playing the propaganda card and bemoaning the fate of his fellow Taliban, Zaeef shrugged his shoulders and said, "Punishment is common in Afghan prisons, and perhaps it is a better fate for the detainees to be beaten rather than killed."
Zaeef summed up the entire affair with one phrase: "This is more about Canadian politics than human rights."...
Those being held in the detention centre include would-be suicide bombers apprehended in the act, Taliban fighters captured by NATO soldiers on the battlefield, and suspects in the kidnapping and killing of westerners.
While insisting that his personnel do not resort to violence when conducting interrogations, deputy director Noor Mohammed Balak Karzai pointed out that his enemies do not apply the same rules.
"If the Taliban capture me, they will start by removing my eyes, breaking my bones and removing my skin. It would not be a quick death."
There is no question that detainees captured by Canadian troops must be treated in a manner of which the Canadian public approves. However, it is imperative that Canadians first understand the true depths of horror that exist in this conflict in which we have become an active participant.
SCOTT TAYLOR
WHILE TRAVELLING through Afghanistan the past couple of weeks and interviewing Afghan officials from various factions, it became apparent that the brewing scandal over detainee abuse is virtually a non-issue outside of Canada.
Even former Taliban spokesman Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef said he regarded the whole matter as insignificant. Instead of playing the propaganda card and bemoaning the fate of his fellow Taliban, Zaeef shrugged his shoulders and said, "Punishment is common in Afghan prisons, and perhaps it is a better fate for the detainees to be beaten rather than killed."
Zaeef summed up the entire affair with one phrase: "This is more about Canadian politics than human rights."...
Those being held in the detention centre include would-be suicide bombers apprehended in the act, Taliban fighters captured by NATO soldiers on the battlefield, and suspects in the kidnapping and killing of westerners.
While insisting that his personnel do not resort to violence when conducting interrogations, deputy director Noor Mohammed Balak Karzai pointed out that his enemies do not apply the same rules.
"If the Taliban capture me, they will start by removing my eyes, breaking my bones and removing my skin. It would not be a quick death."
There is no question that detainees captured by Canadian troops must be treated in a manner of which the Canadian public approves. However, it is imperative that Canadians first understand the true depths of horror that exist in this conflict in which we have become an active participant.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/836769.html
Just to clarify, when former Taliban spokesman Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef says "This is more about Canadian politics than human rights.", he's addressing you usefull idiots.
baylee @ Mon May 21, 2007 7:27 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
hahahahah heee hee hee hahahahah heee hee hee hahahahah heee hee hee hahahahah heee hee hee
Hmmmm?
But that aside, Margolis indeed is a well respected man.
Maybe not by RW,s
But RW,s are a minority group
And RW,s seem to have no use for other minoritys.
Interesting that is
ridenrain @ Tue May 22, 2007 6:01 am
Looks like the usefull idiots have some money because they hired a Chretien media hack to push their agenda:
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Peter Donolo leads The Strategic Counsel's strategic communications practice.
From 1993 to 1999, Peter served as Director of Communications in the Prime Minister's Office and chief communications strategist for Prime Minister Jean Chretien and his government. In that position, Peter established a strong record in developing successful communications strategies for the most important government initiatives and most contentious political and public policy issues of the past decade. In the process, he established a strong personal reputation in one of the most intense and high-pressured jobs of its kind.
Following his tenure in the PMO, Peter served for two years as Canadian Consul General to Milan,
From 1993 to 1999, Peter served as Director of Communications in the Prime Minister's Office and chief communications strategist for Prime Minister Jean Chretien and his government. In that position, Peter established a strong record in developing successful communications strategies for the most important government initiatives and most contentious political and public policy issues of the past decade. In the process, he established a strong personal reputation in one of the most intense and high-pressured jobs of its kind.
Following his tenure in the PMO, Peter served for two years as Canadian Consul General to Milan,
http://www.thestrategiccounsel.com/our_ ... donolo.asp
OPP @ Tue May 22, 2007 8:13 am
Calgary123 Calgary123:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Wow Eric right out to lunch again.
I'll just address this one point which reveals Erics bias towards the right. For the umpteenth time, troops were committed to Afghanistan under the Liberal Party of Canada. Somehow I don't think the "bully from Shawinigan" was seeking favour with the Bush Administration.
Congrats dummy, you were so blind in your attempt to discredit the CF and the Conservative party that you missed the obvious mistake in Erics little rant. You seem to be giving "thelaw" some competition in dumb posts.
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How did Canada get into this mess? Conservative politicians in Ottawa saw a chance to win new voters by whipping up false patriotism in a jolly little war against `evil’ Muslims that was supposed to be….a slam dunk. They sought to curry favor with their ideological mentor, the Bush Administration.
I'll just address this one point which reveals Erics bias towards the right. For the umpteenth time, troops were committed to Afghanistan under the Liberal Party of Canada. Somehow I don't think the "bully from Shawinigan" was seeking favour with the Bush Administration.
Congrats dummy, you were so blind in your attempt to discredit the CF and the Conservative party that you missed the obvious mistake in Erics little rant. You seem to be giving "thelaw" some competition in dumb posts.
Try dealing with the content of the article vs switching the focus to the Cons. Everyone knows that the Liberals kick-started this fiasco... that's not the point. The cons are the flag-bearing cheerleaders for the better part of this "mission", what-ever that might be.
And don't kid yourself... this is more about kissing US ass than anything. The majority of Canadians apose US foreign "policy" of pre-emptive, or in Afghanistans case "pointless" war. Our military need not be used to act as ME security to suppress the PO'd Afghani's who can't seem to get the hang of being OCCUPIED without making such a fuss.
Those silly Afghani's... hating us for our "freedoms" and all
If they would just behave themselves like good little arabs this whole thing would end soon.
sasquatch2 @ Tue May 22, 2007 8:31 am
Calgary123 wrote:
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Those silly Afghani's... hating us for our "freedoms" and all If they would just behave themselves like good little arabs this whole thing would end soon.
And you are just as ignorant to agree.
First off Afghan's are not Arabs or Pakistanis........major blunder.
Second Margolis and you freaks are misrepresenting the Taliban as a popularly supported political/religious movement. That is about as accurate as representing the Mafia as enjoying the support of the Italian/american community.
Third the only element to represent the UN/NATO mission as an occupation are western anarchists/anti-american leftists.
Then you have the LIBRANO habit of declaring your position is that of the "majority of canadians",
which it is not accurate, otherwise Harper would still reside in Stornoway.
OPP @ Tue May 22, 2007 8:33 am
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
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The people of Afghanistan had nothing to do with 911
No, they didn't, although the Canadians aren't in Afghanistan because of 9/11.
Canadian troops are in Afghanistan, LEGALLY, as part of NATO, and NATO troops were in Afghanistan BEFORE 9/11 occurred.
We are fighting the Taliban and trying to drive them out of the country which, I'm sure, the majority of the Afghan people are grateful for.
The British also have the important task of trying to stop Afghanistan's heroine-making industry. 90% of all heroine on British streets comes from Afghanistan.
![[huh]](./images/smilies/icon_scratch.gif "huh?"){kind=icon}
.... You're not there for 9/11? Then how is the war even remotely "legal" then?"trying to stop Afghanistan's heroine-making industry"...?
I guess you're failing misserably then IF you're trying to stop it... which you aren't.
There has been a dramatical increase in the opium production in Afghanistan since the invasion.
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March 6, 2007
Record Opium Crop Possible in Afghanistan, U.N. Study Predicts
By CARLOTTA GALL
KABUL, Afghanistan, March 5 — Afghanistan’s opium harvest could be bigger than last year’s record crop, with nearly half of the provinces showing an increase in planting this year, the director of the United Nations Office for Drugs and Crime said here Monday.
His office released an assessment of winter planting trends, which shows an increase in 15 provinces, no change in 6 provinces, and a decrease in 7 provinces. Six of Afghanistan’s 34 provinces have no poppies, the study said.
Similar assessments of the size of the crop and harvest have proved accurate in the past. Afghanistan had a substantial increase of poppy cultivation last year, resulting in the highest recorded harvest, more than 6,000 tons, the drugs and crime office said.
Record Opium Crop Possible in Afghanistan, U.N. Study Predicts
By CARLOTTA GALL
KABUL, Afghanistan, March 5 — Afghanistan’s opium harvest could be bigger than last year’s record crop, with nearly half of the provinces showing an increase in planting this year, the director of the United Nations Office for Drugs and Crime said here Monday.
His office released an assessment of winter planting trends, which shows an increase in 15 provinces, no change in 6 provinces, and a decrease in 7 provinces. Six of Afghanistan’s 34 provinces have no poppies, the study said.
Similar assessments of the size of the crop and harvest have proved accurate in the past. Afghanistan had a substantial increase of poppy cultivation last year, resulting in the highest recorded harvest, more than 6,000 tons, the drugs and crime office said.
NY Times
http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=26489
http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/press ... ar867.html
sasquatch2 @ Tue May 22, 2007 8:48 am
Once again the leftist seek to spin a legal UN/NATO assistance mission into an invasion/occupation.
911 was planned, based, supported, by Al Qaida in Afghanistan under the protection of the unelected Taliban government. The lefties keep attempting to represent the former Taliban regime as legitimate and popularly supported.
Now Margolis has came right out and declared the Northern Alliance as the rump of the deposed communist Afghan government. The Northern Alliance although largely a warlord confederation was the remains of the always fragmented Mujahedin resistance to the Russians/communists.
The Al Qaida assasinated Massoud could NEVER be represented as a communist. Massoud was one of the Northern Alliance' most able leaders assasinated, about the time of 911, by Al Qaida suicide bombers posing as Moroccan journalists.
Leave rewritting history to the Global Warming crowd......even they screw up.
OPP @ Tue May 22, 2007 8:58 am
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Once again the leftist seek to spin a legal UN/NATO assistance mission into an invasion/occupation.
911 was planned, based, supported, by Al Qaida in Afghanistan under the protection of the unelected Taliban government. The lefties keep attempting to represent the former Taliban regime as legitimate and popularly supported.
Now Margolis has came right out and declared the Northern Alliance as the rump of the deposed communist Afghan government. The Northern Alliance although largely a warlord confederation was the remains of the always fragmented Mujahedin resistance to the Russians/communists.
The Al Qaida assasinated Massoud could NEVER be represented as a communist. Massoud was one of the Northern Alliance' most able leaders assasinated, about the time of 911, by Al Qaida suicide bombers posing as Moroccan journalists.
Leave rewritting history to the Global Warming crowd......even they screw up.
911 was planned, based, supported, by Al Qaida in Afghanistan under the protection of the unelected Taliban government. The lefties keep attempting to represent the former Taliban regime as legitimate and popularly supported.
Now Margolis has came right out and declared the Northern Alliance as the rump of the deposed communist Afghan government. The Northern Alliance although largely a warlord confederation was the remains of the always fragmented Mujahedin resistance to the Russians/communists.
The Al Qaida assasinated Massoud could NEVER be represented as a communist. Massoud was one of the Northern Alliance' most able leaders assasinated, about the time of 911, by Al Qaida suicide bombers posing as Moroccan journalists.
Leave rewritting history to the Global Warming crowd......even they screw up.
If you're refering to me, OPP, then could I suggest that you quote me so that I know how and if I should respond.
There are no evidence of Taliban involvement in 9/11. You're just repeating the false statements from the white house, who have been caught lying time and time again.
Johnny_Utah @ Tue May 22, 2007 9:07 am
OPP OPP:
There are no evidence of Taliban involvement in 9/11. You're just repeating the false statements from the white house, who have been caught lying time and time again.
The Taliban allowed Al Qaeda and Bin Laden to use Afghanistan as a base of operations while protecting them..
The Taliban knew what they were up to so in fact yes they did play a role in 9/11 by again giving Al Qaeda and Bin Laden a safe haven to plan and plot the 9/11 Attacks..
Would you rather have the Taliban still in power harboring Al Qaeda and Bin Laden while publicly executing women in the Soccer Stadium?
OPP @ Tue May 22, 2007 10:24 am
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
OPP OPP:
There are no evidence of Taliban involvement in 9/11. You're just repeating the false statements from the white house, who have been caught lying time and time again.
The Taliban allowed Al Qaeda and Bin Laden to use Afghanistan as a base of operations while protecting them..
The Taliban knew what they were up to so in fact yes they did play a role in 9/11 by again giving Al Qaeda and Bin Laden a safe haven to plan and plot the 9/11 Attacks..
Would you rather have the Taliban still in power harboring Al Qaeda and Bin Laden while publicly executing women in the Soccer Stadium?
Agian.. There are no evidence, no proof of this.
2Cdo @ Tue May 22, 2007 10:41 am
OPP OPP:
Calgary123 Calgary123:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Wow Eric right out to lunch again.
I'll just address this one point which reveals Erics bias towards the right. For the umpteenth time, troops were committed to Afghanistan under the Liberal Party of Canada. Somehow I don't think the "bully from Shawinigan" was seeking favour with the Bush Administration.
Congrats dummy, you were so blind in your attempt to discredit the CF and the Conservative party that you missed the obvious mistake in Erics little rant. You seem to be giving "thelaw" some competition in dumb posts.
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How did Canada get into this mess? Conservative politicians in Ottawa saw a chance to win new voters by whipping up false patriotism in a jolly little war against `evil’ Muslims that was supposed to be….a slam dunk. They sought to curry favor with their ideological mentor, the Bush Administration.
I'll just address this one point which reveals Erics bias towards the right. For the umpteenth time, troops were committed to Afghanistan under the Liberal Party of Canada. Somehow I don't think the "bully from Shawinigan" was seeking favour with the Bush Administration.
Congrats dummy, you were so blind in your attempt to discredit the CF and the Conservative party that you missed the obvious mistake in Erics little rant. You seem to be giving "thelaw" some competition in dumb posts.
Try dealing with the content of the article vs switching the focus to the Cons. Everyone knows that the Liberals kick-started this fiasco... that's not the point. The cons are the flag-bearing cheerleaders for the better part of this "mission", what-ever that might be.
And don't kid yourself... this is more about kissing US ass than anything. The majority of Canadians apose US foreign "policy" of pre-emptive, or in Afghanistans case "pointless" war. Our military need not be used to act as ME security to suppress the PO'd Afghani's who can't seem to get the hang of being OCCUPIED without making such a fuss.
Those silly Afghani's... hating us for our "freedoms" and all
If they would just behave themselves like good little arabs this whole thing would end soon. Tweedle Dum and Tweddle Dumber. Why does it not surprise me that the socialist half-wit would agree with the resident conspiracy theorist.