Canada Kicks Ass
Chaos in the UK over the faux-Brexit deal

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BartSimpson @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:57 pm

No link. The story is all over the news right now.

In any case, Theresa May is right now faced with people quitting her cabinet in revolt at her bullshit Brexit 'deal' with the EU.

The key points of her deal are:

1. The UK will indefinitely continue with £39 billion in annual payments to the EU.

2. The UK will remain subject to EU customs laws and will not be permitted to exit the customs zone without permission from Brussels.

3. UK will submit to EU controls on all internal policies...no different from a vassal state.

4. The UK will not be allowed to make its own trade agreements.

5. UK fisheries will be opened to EU countries while UK fishermen could be prohibited from fishing in UK waters in favor of EU countries. Also, the UK will be subjected to retaliatory tariffs unless it agrees to this extortion.

6. Disputes between the EU and UK will be subject to arbitration by an EU panel and subject to approval by EU courts.

7. UK financial firms will be shut out of the EU market but EU financial firms will retain access to the UK.

In summary, if I were Theresa May I'd find a nice safe place to hide and stay there.

   



GreenTiger @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:02 pm

This is the deal to leave the EU? What do to stay in?

   



DrCaleb @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:06 pm

GreenTiger GreenTiger:
What do to stay in?


Not an option. The UK made the referendum a binding vote. They voted to leave.

   



GreenTiger @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:13 pm

Given that kind of an arrangement, I can fully understand the UK voted to leave. I'm beginning to wonder if Bart is correct in that the real reason for the EU army is to discourage member states from leaving.

   



BartSimpson @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:14 pm

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
GreenTiger GreenTiger:
What do to stay in?


Not an option. The UK made the referendum a binding vote. They voted to leave.


This isn't leaving.

   



N_Fiddledog @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:14 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
No link. The story is all over the news right now.


I like this one:

   



DrCaleb @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:21 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
GreenTiger GreenTiger:
What do to stay in?


Not an option. The UK made the referendum a binding vote. They voted to leave.


This isn't leaving.


I'm not arguing with you. Just saying that staying isn't an option, and since they gave notice, there is a deadline.

And the EU knows it, so they are going to sweat the best deal out of the UK that they can.

Like I wrote in another thread; the UK must be regretting that they didn't make the Brexit vote a non-binding plebiscite. ;) Then a small percentage one way or the other could be ignored, or revisited. By making it a Referendum, they made sure that 1 person over the 50% could cause a great deal of trouble.

   



BartSimpson @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:32 pm

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
No link. The story is all over the news right now.


I like this one:



He speaks the truth.

   



BartSimpson @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:33 pm

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
By making it a Referendum, they made sure that 1 person over the 50% could cause a great deal of trouble.


You mean democracy causes a great deal of trouble for the EU?

I agree.

   



llama66 @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:34 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
No link. The story is all over the news right now.

In any case, Theresa May is right now faced with people quitting her cabinet in revolt at her bullshit Brexit 'deal' with the EU.

The key points of her deal are:

1. The UK will indefinitely continue with £39 billion in annual payments to the EU.

2. The UK will remain subject to EU customs laws and will not be permitted to exit the customs zone without permission from Brussels.

3. UK will submit to EU controls on all internal policies...no different from a vassal state.

4. The UK will not be allowed to make its own trade agreements.

5. UK fisheries will be opened to EU countries while UK fishermen could be prohibited from fishing in UK waters in favor of EU countries. Also, the UK will be subjected to retaliatory tariffs unless it agrees to this extortion.

6. Disputes between the EU and UK will be subject to arbitration by an EU panel and subject to approval by EU courts.

7. UK financial firms will be shut out of the EU market but EU financial firms will retain access to the UK.

In summary, if I were Theresa May I'd find a nice safe place to hide and stay there.


Is this EU lite? All of the rules... none of the title.

   



Sunnyways @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:02 pm

An entirely predictable outcome that wasn’t highlighted during the Brexit debate, or as one wag put it, a dog’s breakfast but the best thing on the menu.

   



BartSimpson @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:08 pm

llama66 llama66:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
No link. The story is all over the news right now.

In any case, Theresa May is right now faced with people quitting her cabinet in revolt at her bullshit Brexit 'deal' with the EU.

The key points of her deal are:

1. The UK will indefinitely continue with £39 billion in annual payments to the EU.

2. The UK will remain subject to EU customs laws and will not be permitted to exit the customs zone without permission from Brussels.

3. UK will submit to EU controls on all internal policies...no different from a vassal state.

4. The UK will not be allowed to make its own trade agreements.

5. UK fisheries will be opened to EU countries while UK fishermen could be prohibited from fishing in UK waters in favor of EU countries. Also, the UK will be subjected to retaliatory tariffs unless it agrees to this extortion.

6. Disputes between the EU and UK will be subject to arbitration by an EU panel and subject to approval by EU courts.

7. UK financial firms will be shut out of the EU market but EU financial firms will retain access to the UK.

In summary, if I were Theresa May I'd find a nice safe place to hide and stay there.


Is this EU lite? All of the rules... none of the title.


Oh, yeah. And I expect that May will see a vote of no confidence before the sun sets tomorrow. If not sooner.

   



martin14 @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:44 pm

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Not an option. The UK made the referendum a binding vote. They voted to leave.


$1:
I'm not arguing with you. Just saying that staying isn't an option, and since they gave notice, there is a deadline.

And the EU knows it, so they are going to sweat the best deal out of the UK that they can.


In the strictest legal terms, no. The Referendum was never legally binding.

However, you can be sure any political party that now says 'ok screw it,
we're just going to stay in the EU', will not see elected office again for a generation.
I'm sure May will use this to get the Tories to vote for this deal.

This is why you now hear once again from the EU, ' no Brexit '; as if it is a viable option.

But since the Brits passed article 50 to officially leave, one has to wonder what the price
for cancelling that will be. This time, probably not much, the EU will just be happy to have the UK back in.

Army.
Euro, but on a timetable.

   



martin14 @ Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:04 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Oh, yeah. And I expect that May will see a vote of no confidence before the sun sets tomorrow. If not sooner.


Give it the weekend. Few more resignations. The person to watch right now is Michael Gove,
currently the Environment Minister.

Funny enough, she will probably survive a vote of no confidence by the Conservatives.
But right now, this deal will die in Parliament.


Sunnyways Sunnyways:
An entirely predictable outcome that wasn’t highlighted during the Brexit debate, or as one wag put it, a dog’s breakfast but the best thing on the menu.


The Brits could have used the last 2 years to make preparations for WTO rules.
Upgrade the ports and airports for customs traffic, new supply lines for food
and other essentials, developing the domestic economy. None of this has been done.
Complete fail of the UK government, from the PM down to the lowest civil serpent.

   



martin14 @ Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:22 am

Rumours are the 48 letters are in, Parilament doesn't sit today, so there probably
won't be a vote on the PM until Monday or Tuesday.

Realistically, they should wait until the bill fails in Parliament first,
as they can only do a leadership challenge once a year.

   



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