CIA airstrike on al Qaeda terrorist
Wullu @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:37 am
BeaverBill BeaverBill:
Wullu Wullu:
Ummmm BeaverBill what the hell does all that have to with some scumbag terrorist?
I agree with the comment posted by Figfarmer. Who are the real terrorists?
DU weapons are used freely and generously. The gov'ts who employ these weapons continually deny that they are using tactics that those opposing forces have been accused of wanting to use against us in the first place. These wars on terror were started on the premises of WMD, chemical and biological and nuclear. DU evidence is being consistently ignored and has been right from the start. DU is nuclear warfare shrouded in lies.
Until you begin to question our support, our leaders support and the support of our future leaders for these gov'ts, that emplore heinous methods against, ignoring the enemy, but the population and their generations to come you might never quite comprehend the word terrorist.
Ahh the infamous DU!!! I worked around DU ammo for years and we all wore dosimeters. Not one of those ever came back with a positive reading. Not trusting that they actually would get back to us if one did give dangerous levels one guy arranged to have one of the dosimeters zapped with a fairly high, but not dangerous, level. It was a whopping 2 days after the meter went in that the world turned upside down. The owner of that dosimeter spent 2 days in hospital before the whole mess got straightened out. He got 21 days confined to ship and a 1000 dollar fine for messing with the system. We could not do the time for him but we all chipped in and paid him back for the fine. What I rambled on about is that DU is about as dangerous as sitting on yer TV. Not one dosi ever came back with anymore than background levels that all of us are exposed to everday from ma nature.
Now....the real terrorists? Oh spare me. When one side flys aircraft into buildings full of innocent people and the other side takes out the people who arrange and train for these flights, I know what side I fall in on. Or are you a fan of the Taliban and Al Queda? You all for women having to wear burkas here in Canada? No education for girls? Stoning women who go out without a male family member to chaparone them? Because that is what these scumbags are all about.
BeaverBill @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:03 am
Wullu Wullu:
BeaverBill BeaverBill:
Wullu Wullu:
Ummmm BeaverBill what the hell does all that have to with some scumbag terrorist?
I agree with the comment posted by Figfarmer. Who are the real terrorists?
DU weapons are used freely and generously. The gov'ts who employ these weapons continually deny that they are using tactics that those opposing forces have been accused of wanting to use against us in the first place. These wars on terror were started on the premises of WMD, chemical and biological and nuclear. DU evidence is being consistently ignored and has been right from the start. DU is nuclear warfare shrouded in lies.
Until you begin to question our support, our leaders support and the support of our future leaders for these gov'ts, that emplore heinous methods against, ignoring the enemy, but the population and their generations to come you might never quite comprehend the word terrorist.
Ahh the infamous DU!!! I worked around DU ammo for years and we all wore dosimeters. Not one of those ever came back with a positive reading. Not trusting that they actually would get back to us if one did give dangerous levels one guy arranged to have one of the dosimeters zapped with a fairly high, but not dangerous, level. It was a whopping 2 days after the meter went in that the world turned upside down. The owner of that dosimeter spent 2 days in hospital before the whole mess got straightened out. He got 21 days confined to ship and a 1000 dollar fine for messing with the system. We could not do the time for him but we all chipped in and paid him back for the fine. What I rambled on about is that DU is about as dangerous as sitting on yer TV. Not one dosi ever came back with anymore than background levels that all of us are exposed to everday from ma nature.
Now....the real terrorists? Oh spare me. When one side flys aircraft into buildings full of innocent people and the other side takes out the people who arrange and train for these flights, I know what side I fall in on. Or are you a fan of the Taliban and Al Queda? You all for women having to wear burkas here in Canada? No education for girls? Stoning women who go out without a male family member to chaparone them? Because that is what these scumbags are all about.
So you continue to ignore the content of the previous posts that have evidence contradicting the official position with relation to the effects of DU. you also ignore Canada's official posturing and decision in the use of DU, taking into account that an official position doesn't imply that it will not be used. You also imply that the relationship of the damage caused by physically holding the ammunition and being around it is equal to the damage caused to those that are effected by its deployment, you know, the "shit end of the stick". Example- those that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima suffered the same fate as those who were on the ground.
This war against terror, based on lies on top of lies, has covered those three thousand who have died in the twin towers, one hundred fold, if not more. Little does the side you decide to support fight crimes against humanity with the morals that they proclaim to support. They fight these crimes under a different light, one just as nefarious, all the while repeating the words "justice, freedom and democracy", while conforming their principals to their actions (the ends justify the means). This only shows me that they are willing to apply any amount of force, criminal or not to win (justifyably, since you don't fight a war to lose.), modifying their principals to fit. Does this attitude, which you support, show us that they (really and honestly) care about these principals or even the propaganda that they've forcefed upon us to bring us on side, most of which has been proven, again and again, as completely false?
hamiltonguyo @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:11 am
Intelligence can always be faulty it was a bad screwup by the CIA although whoever authorized the invasion into pakistani airspace should be fired. They arrest terrorists for us so why couldn't have the us asked them to arrest him?
Wullu @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:55 am
Well BeaverBill all I can say is you can live your little tin hatted conspiracy theory world. I will stay out here in the real world where there are folks who want to kill us ( and that includes you btw ) and do my level best to help rid the planet of them.
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This war against terror, based on lies on top of lies, has covered those three thousand who have died in the twin towers, one hundred fold, if not more
100 fold? Are you seriously saying that 300,000 people have died since 12 Sept 01? Where? What countrys? Numbers please. So by this logic, once we had killed 3000 terrorist scum then we are all even?
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the propaganda that they've forcefed upon us to bring us on side, most of which has been proven, again and again, as completely false
The only thing I needed to brought on side with a war against scumbags are the two gaping holes in the NY skyline. How would you suggest that we deal with folks who are not in the least bit interested in talking? Bin Laden and his cronies are not in the least concerned with coming to a peaceful solution to this mess they started. They have their little idea of uptopia and that does include Western Civiliazation. Thankfully they don't have the physical means to take us down, but the more folks they bring around to your way of thinking they can then succeed via the back door. I don't ask that you support the war, but must you support the scumbags? BTW you never did answer my question about burkas and stonings here in Canada...you ok with that or not?
BeaverBill @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:31 am
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Now....the real terrorists? Oh spare me. When one side flys aircraft into buildings full of innocent people and the other side takes out the people who arrange and train for these flights, I know what side I fall in on.
Understandably.
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Or are you a fan of the Taliban and Al Queda?
No.
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You all for women having to wear burkas here in Canada? No education for girls? Stoning women who go out without a male family member to chaparone them? Because that is what these scumbags are all about.
Of course not. Not once have I called these religious fanatics decent human beings.
Do you disagree in questioning your own gov't on matters? I didn't think it was a crime to question the people that create our policies, and the people who support them, when those policies are causing more overwhelming harm than good. Does that mean we should all sit on our hands, eat and shutup. I thought that you were promoting decent democracy?
Radiating the poor and uneducated, as well as their generations to come, is the best way to change their minds, right? The end justifies the means
Proculation @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:20 am
Wullu Wullu:
BeaverBill BeaverBill:
Wullu Wullu:
Ummmm BeaverBill what the hell does all that have to with some scumbag terrorist?
I agree with the comment posted by Figfarmer. Who are the real terrorists?
DU weapons are used freely and generously. The gov'ts who employ these weapons continually deny that they are using tactics that those opposing forces have been accused of wanting to use against us in the first place. These wars on terror were started on the premises of WMD, chemical and biological and nuclear. DU evidence is being consistently ignored and has been right from the start. DU is nuclear warfare shrouded in lies.
Until you begin to question our support, our leaders support and the support of our future leaders for these gov'ts, that emplore heinous methods against, ignoring the enemy, but the population and their generations to come you might never quite comprehend the word terrorist.
Ahh the infamous DU!!! I worked around DU ammo for years and we all wore dosimeters. Not one of those ever came back with a positive reading. Not trusting that they actually would get back to us if one did give dangerous levels one guy arranged to have one of the dosimeters zapped with a fairly high, but not dangerous, level. It was a whopping 2 days after the meter went in that the world turned upside down. The owner of that dosimeter spent 2 days in hospital before the whole mess got straightened out. He got 21 days confined to ship and a 1000 dollar fine for messing with the system. We could not do the time for him but we all chipped in and paid him back for the fine. What I rambled on about is that DU is about as dangerous as sitting on yer TV. Not one dosi ever came back with anymore than background levels that all of us are exposed to everday from ma nature.
Now....the real terrorists? Oh spare me. When one side flys aircraft into buildings full of innocent people and the other side takes out the people who arrange and train for these flights, I know what side I fall in on. Or are you a fan of the Taliban and Al Queda? You all for women having to wear burkas here in Canada? No education for girls? Stoning women who go out without a male family member to chaparone them? Because that is what these scumbags are all about.
Uranium itself is not very dangerous at all. But, they use DU in bombs because it's very solid and can get into tanks and other solid armor. The problem is that at the impact, the friction causes it to get very hot, melt and then disperse billions of particles in the air.
The surrounding people breath those particles and they are now sitting in their lungs and other parts of their body, radiating. Even if the radiation is not much, long term concequences are there. And they are also very dangerous like other heavy metals.
PluggyRug @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:50 am
Which brings the question...what the hell does depleted uranium and taking out a terrorist scumbag have in common?
Delwin @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:52 am
The Americans have come to the realization that the shock and awe theory works a lot better on women and children. ![[protest]](./images/smilies/_protest_.gif "Protest")
BeaverBill @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:53 am
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Which brings the question...what the hell does depleted uranium and taking out a terrorist scumbag have in common?
Isn't that how the terrorists, and the poor, uneducated sods around them, taken out?
Wullu @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:45 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Which brings the question...what the hell does depleted uranium and taking out a terrorist scumbag have in common?
I asked BB that earlier in the thread... apparently we are killing all the terrorists ( 300,000 of them so far by his math ) using DU ammo. I would have thought that standard 9mm, 5.56mm ammo and iron bombs had taken out most of the scum so far. But I guess BB has some inside contact. Glad I ain't in the infantry now. DU ammo weighs a tonne and only comes in three sizes 20mm, 30mm and 120mm.
PluggyRug @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:06 pm
Wullu Wullu:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Which brings the question...what the hell does depleted uranium and taking out a terrorist scumbag have in common?
I asked BB that earlier in the thread... apparently we are killing all the terrorists ( 300,000 of them so far by his math ) using DU ammo. I would have thought that standard 9mm, 5.56mm ammo and iron bombs had taken out most of the scum so far. But I guess BB has some inside contact. Glad I ain't in the infantry now. DU ammo weighs a tonne and only comes in three sizes 20mm, 30mm and 120mm.
Fired from the shoulder of course
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Terrorists don't use Tanks and conventional weapons, they just hide behind civilians.
TV 30 minutes ago. They missed Ayman al-Zawahri because he skipped lunch. So he was there.
If people want to shelter terrorists, they should expect consequences.
Tricks @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:09 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Wullu Wullu:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Which brings the question...what the hell does depleted uranium and taking out a terrorist scumbag have in common?
I asked BB that earlier in the thread... apparently we are killing all the terrorists ( 300,000 of them so far by his math ) using DU ammo. I would have thought that standard 9mm, 5.56mm ammo and iron bombs had taken out most of the scum so far. But I guess BB has some inside contact. Glad I ain't in the infantry now. DU ammo weighs a tonne and only comes in three sizes 20mm, 30mm and 120mm.
Fired from the shoulder of course
.Terrorists don't use Tanks and conventional weapons, they just hide behind civilians.
TV 30 minutes ago. They missed Ayman al-Zawahri because he skipped lunch. So he was there.
If people want to shelter terrorists, they should expect consequences.
BeaverBill @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:36 pm
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I asked BB that earlier in the thread... apparently we are killing all the terrorists ( 300,000 of them so far by his math ) using DU ammo.
Now, now.... du ammo wasn't mentioned as the cause of death in my death toll prediction. An uninformed opinion it was, I was wrong.
http://www.health-now.org/site/article. ... &menuId=11
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.....It has been estimated - from data published by the UN (http://esa.un.org/unpp/index.asp?panel=2), UNICEF (http://www.unicef.org/) and in the top UK medical journal The Lancet (Online, 29 October 2004; print version vol. 364(9448) 1857-1864, 2004) - that the under-5 infant mortality and excess mortality (avoidable mortality) have been 1.2 million and 1.5 million, respectively, for Iraq (since 1991); 0.2 million and 0.4 million, respectively, for Iraq since the 2003 invasion ; and 0.9 million and 1.2 million, respectively, for Afghanistan (since the 2001 invasion).
According to The Lancet: "the crude mortality rate during the period of war and occupation was 12.3 per 1000 people per year". In comparison, a conservative estimate of what it SHOULD BE is 4.0 per thousand per year based on current death rates in Iraq's impoverished but peaceful neighbours Jordan and Syria (http://esa.un.org/unpp/index.asp?panel=2). The "excess" or "avoidable" post-invasion mortality rate is accordingly 12.3 - 4.0 = 8.3 per 1000 people per year.
Assuming an Iraqi population of 25 million, the excess mortality (avoidable mortality) after 2 years of UK-US occupation will have been 8.3 x 25 x 2 thousand = 415,000 = 0.4 million......
According to The Lancet: "the crude mortality rate during the period of war and occupation was 12.3 per 1000 people per year". In comparison, a conservative estimate of what it SHOULD BE is 4.0 per thousand per year based on current death rates in Iraq's impoverished but peaceful neighbours Jordan and Syria (http://esa.un.org/unpp/index.asp?panel=2). The "excess" or "avoidable" post-invasion mortality rate is accordingly 12.3 - 4.0 = 8.3 per 1000 people per year.
Assuming an Iraqi population of 25 million, the excess mortality (avoidable mortality) after 2 years of UK-US occupation will have been 8.3 x 25 x 2 thousand = 415,000 = 0.4 million......
Wullu @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:49 pm
Well I give ya points for actually finding a number somewhere. But after looking at the website it is obvious to me that it is just another crack-pot Anti-Globalization site. The west is the root of all evil etc etc. Can someone point me at any actual PROOF that globalization exists and even it did, the only hope that 3rd world countrys have is for people to invest real money in them. A bunch of bored children running around making asses of themselves at G8 summits etc does the 3rd world no good at all.
BeaverBill @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:06 pm
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Well I give ya points for actually finding a number somewhere. But after looking at the website it is obvious to me that it is just another crack-pot Anti-Globalization site. The west is the root of all evil etc etc. Can someone point me at any actual PROOF that globalization exists and even it did, the only hope that 3rd world countrys have is for people to invest real money in them. A bunch of bored children running around making asses of themselves at G8 summits etc does the 3rd world no good at all.
Maybe you're right.
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....Silence kills. Silence is complicity. We cannot walk by on the other side - we must inform everyone. Save the children.....
With freeloading, tree hugging, longhaired, hippie Jesus freak quotes like this quote, the evidence is unquestionable and unsurmountable.
.........ooops found this little tidbit at the end of the page
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Credentials: Dr Gideon Polya published some 130 works in a 4 decade scientific career, most recently a huge pharmacological reference text "Biochemical Targets of Plant Bioactive Compounds" (Taylor & Francis, New York & London, 2003), and is currently writing a book on global mortality (numerous articles on this matter can be found by a simple Google search for "Gideon Polya" and on his website: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gpolya/links.html)