Cubans deserve better
Confused @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:05 pm
Good call. I agree %100. Cuba needs better, Cuba needs democracy.
BartSimpson @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:06 pm
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The much-demonized Pinochet left Chile with a democratic government and Latin America's most vibrant economy. Castro, 80, by contrast, will leave behind a dreary, threadbare totalitarian state.
Nice to see someone recognize that not everything Pinochet did was bad.
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many may admire Fidel...who brought them high standards of medicine
Really? Cuba has NO medicine in most of its hospitals. I don't see how that is a "high standard" of medicine.
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Recently opened KGB files and statements by former high Soviet officials have revealed that during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, Castro begged Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev to launch nuclear-armed missiles against the U.S.
The Kremlin wisely refused Castro's crazy request.
The Kremlin wisely refused Castro's crazy request.
I take this with a grain of salt. It may be true, but then again it may be a classic Russian maskirovka that accomplishes some obscure objective by discrediting Castro. In fairness to the man, I can't see Castro wanting his country immolated by the USA.
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It may be a rusty Marxist relic, but it's important to recall that Cuba has always been the most advanced, sophisticated and cultured nation in the West Indies.
When the competition consists of Haiti, Jamaica, and the Dominican Republic this isn't hard to do.
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Havana is older than New York City.
Yeah, but NYC has bigger RATS, so there!
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I still vividly recall glittering pre-Castro Havana
A more damning comment I cannot think of.
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In recent weeks, Raul Castro has offered to open talks with Washington, which has kept Cuba under a punishing embargo since the 1950s. Washington should seize this opportunity to end its utterly daft sanctions regime that has bankrupted Cuba, and move to normalize relations.
I've never understood why the success of the Worker's Paradise of Cuba needed to have trade with the capitalist USA that they hated so much? Why? I mean, don't the Cubans have great medical care and astoundingly incredible educational opportunities? Why does Communist Cuban success hinge on capitalist trade with the USA? And why should the USA trade with Cuba? Isn't the USA free to trade (or not) with whomever we wish?
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Raul should immediately begin releasing all of Cuba's political prisoners and stop arresting citizens who call for democracy and free speech. Ottawa has long maintained fruitful relations with Cuba, though it has pussyfooted around Castro's human rights violations.
Raul will probably perform a few purges to consolidate his power so you can expect those human rights violations to get worse in the coming months.
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Canada can help open doors in Havana for Washington.
Why? What does Canada have to gain by pissing off their #1 trading partner to support a regime that, in turn, has oft supported Quebec separatists?
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Cuba's long-suffering people deserve to escape poverty and totalitarian rule.
I agree. But why not we all sit back and let them sort it out since it hasn't gotten too messy as of yet. They may well decide to become democratic without help or meddling from anyone else just the same as the USSR did. Sad to say, but if a few people die in the process then the liberty obtained will be all the more precious to them.
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But they also need to retain the dignity and social advances they achieved under Castro's regime, his sole accomplishment in half a century. It would be a serious mistake for Washington to treat post-Castro Cuba like just another banana republic.
This looks very dignified and socially advanced to me. Not.
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Or for the U.S. to try to brusquely impose its dictates on prickly Cubans.
I see. So we should interfere in Cuba but not too much. I see.
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Unfortunately, the Bush-Cheney administration has so far rebuffed Raul Castro's overtures.
Which consist of "Die Yanqui Pig! Die!"
Bush & Cheney hear so much of that from the Democrats that I guess Raul Castro's 'overtures' got lost in the din.
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Miami's large, noisy Cuban community votes mostly Republican and is dead set against political engagement with Cuba until the Castros are gone.
Quite true. Except that they also voted overwhelmingly Democrat in 1992 and 1996 before going GOP in 2000 after Clinton sent Elian Gonzalez back to be a propaganda poster-boy in Cuba.
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Just as Ronald Reagan famously called for the hated Berlin Wall to be torn down, it's now time for another ugly Cold War relic, the U.S. embargo of Cuba, to be scrapped.
This same jerkoff who wrote this probably called Reagan a warmonger for his speech at the Brandenburg Gate.
Hmph. Made me look.
http://www.bigeye.com/fcorrlst.htm
There's an awful lot of tinfoil in this guy's hat.
stratos @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:21 pm
I'll add a bit to this also
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I still vividly recall glittering pre-Castro Havana
A more damning comment I cannot think of.
I still vividly recall glittering pre-Castro Havana
A more damning comment I cannot think of.
You do know that this glittering pre-castro Havan was built by the Mafia.
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In recent weeks, Raul Castro has offered to open talks with Washington, which has kept Cuba under a punishing embargo since the 1950s. Washington should seize this opportunity to end its utterly daft sanctions regime that has bankrupted Cuba, and move to normalize relations.
I've never understood why the success of the Worker's Paradise of Cuba needed to have trade with the capitalist USA that they hated so much? Why? I mean, don't the Cubans have great medical care and astoundingly incredible educational opportunities? Why does Communist Cuban success hinge on capitalist trade with the USA? And why should the USA trade with Cuba? Isn't the USA free to trade (or not) with whomever we wish?
In recent weeks, Raul Castro has offered to open talks with Washington, which has kept Cuba under a punishing embargo since the 1950s. Washington should seize this opportunity to end its utterly daft sanctions regime that has bankrupted Cuba, and move to normalize relations.
I've never understood why the success of the Worker's Paradise of Cuba needed to have trade with the capitalist USA that they hated so much? Why? I mean, don't the Cubans have great medical care and astoundingly incredible educational opportunities? Why does Communist Cuban success hinge on capitalist trade with the USA? And why should the USA trade with Cuba? Isn't the USA free to trade (or not) with whomever we wish?
Well the embargo worked and now we are being vilinized for it. Yet we did not let it go long enough with Iraq and are being vilinized for that also. Please make up your mind on what you want an embargo to actualy do. The US embargo was put in place to bankrupt Cuba so they could not fund Communism through out Latin America and other places in the world and sense the fall of the USSR, who gave them money, Cuba has not been able to do just that.
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Raul should immediately begin releasing all of Cuba's political prisoners and stop arresting citizens who call for democracy and free speech. Ottawa has long maintained fruitful relations with Cuba, though it has pussyfooted around Castro's human rights violations.
Raul will probably perform a few purges to consolidate his power so you can expect those human rights violations to get worse in the coming months.
Raul should immediately begin releasing all of Cuba's political prisoners and stop arresting citizens who call for democracy and free speech. Ottawa has long maintained fruitful relations with Cuba, though it has pussyfooted around Castro's human rights violations.
Raul will probably perform a few purges to consolidate his power so you can expect those human rights violations to get worse in the coming months.
Castro did the same thing back in the 80's and dumped all his criminal elemt on the US. I'm sure dont want that to happen again.
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Cuba's long-suffering people deserve to escape poverty and totalitarian rule.
I agree. But why not we all sit back and let them sort it out since it hasn't gotten too messy as of yet. They may well decide to become democratic without help or meddling from anyone else just the same as the USSR did. Sad to say, but if a few people die in the process then the liberty obtained will be all the more precious to them.
Cuba's long-suffering people deserve to escape poverty and totalitarian rule.
I agree. But why not we all sit back and let them sort it out since it hasn't gotten too messy as of yet. They may well decide to become democratic without help or meddling from anyone else just the same as the USSR did. Sad to say, but if a few people die in the process then the liberty obtained will be all the more precious to them.
Wow that was the platform Castro used to get into power with the revelution. Like bart said let the them oust castro they supported him into power.
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Or for the U.S. to try to brusquely impose its dictates on prickly Cubans.
I see. So we should interfere in Cuba but not too much. I see.
Or for the U.S. to try to brusquely impose its dictates on prickly Cubans.
I see. So we should interfere in Cuba but not too much. I see.
Hey are we, the US, not already getting critzied for being involved with outher countries politics and way of life. Yet here we are being told to go and get involve with a warning that basicly says cubans dont want us there.
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Just as Ronald Reagan famously called for the hated Berlin Wall to be torn down, it's now time for another ugly Cold War relic, the U.S. embargo of Cuba, to be scrapped.
This same jerkoff who wrote this probably called Reagan a warmonger for his speech at the Brandenburg Gate.
Just as Ronald Reagan famously called for the hated Berlin Wall to be torn down, it's now time for another ugly Cold War relic, the U.S. embargo of Cuba, to be scrapped.
This same jerkoff who wrote this probably called Reagan a warmonger for his speech at the Brandenburg Gate.
The berlin wall was a symbol of and actual instorment of seperation of a nation and the poloar political situation there. Cuba is not seperated from its self so the comperison is so far off it makes no sense.
ridenrain @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:32 am
I'd like to see better relations with Cuba, but first I'd like to see Cubans throw off the shackles of oppression. Cuba isn't quite North Korea, but it's close.
Canadians who support Cuba but denounce Afghanistan are just playing political games against the US. Basing you're foreign policy on that is folly.
BartSimpson @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:15 pm
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You do know that this glittering pre-castro Havan was built by the Mafia.
At least they BUILT something of some redeeming value. All Castro has built is a great gulag system.
stratos @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:44 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
stratos stratos:
You do know that this glittering pre-castro Havan was built by the Mafia.
At least they BUILT something of some redeeming value. All Castro has built is a great gulag system.
Along with the biggest slum area in the Carabien
BartSimpson @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:45 am
stratos stratos:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
stratos stratos:
You do know that this glittering pre-castro Havan was built by the Mafia.
At least they BUILT something of some redeeming value. All Castro has built is a great gulag system.
Along with the biggest slum area in the Carabien
True! It took a Communist to take the "Paris" of the Caribbean (Havana) and turn it into the largest slum in the region.
grainfedprairieboy @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:59 am
Cubans deserve better?
Bollocks! Cubans, like every other country deserve the government they allow to rule them.
BartSimpson @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:11 am
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Cubans deserve better?
Bollocks! Cubans, like every other country deserve the government they allow to rule them.
Bollocks! Cubans, like every other country deserve the government they allow to rule them.
Tough to argue that.