James Hansen: Why I must speak out about climate change
Scape @ Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:53 pm
http://www.ted.com/talks/james_hansen_w ... hange.html
The amount of heat from the oceans is amazing.
BartSimpson @ Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:09 pm
Global warming became a dead issue when the UEA emails were revealed.
Politicans may give it lip service but with one 'green energy' firm after another going bankrupt and defaulting on billions in government loans the impetus to reduce carbon footprints is gone.
Too many people are worried about having a job sometime soon and they could care less about a catastrophic warming that's simply failed to materialize as promised.
sandorski @ Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:17 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Global warming became a dead issue when the UEA emails were revealed.
Politicans may give it lip service but with one 'green energy' firm after another going bankrupt and defaulting on billions in government loans the impetus to reduce carbon footprints is gone.
Too many people are worried about having a job sometime soon and they could care less about a catastrophic warming that's simply failed to materialize as promised.
Politicans may give it lip service but with one 'green energy' firm after another going bankrupt and defaulting on billions in government loans the impetus to reduce carbon footprints is gone.
Too many people are worried about having a job sometime soon and they could care less about a catastrophic warming that's simply failed to materialize as promised.
Still living the dream.
Lemmy @ Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:25 pm
"There's a saying in the scientific community, that every great scientific truth goes through three phases: first people deny it; second they say "It conflicts with the bible"; third they say they've known it all along." - Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson
Psudo @ Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:11 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Global warming became a dead issue when the UEA emails were revealed.
I think you mean it should have. It clearly didn't.Lemmy Lemmy:
"There's a saying in the scientific community, that every great scientific truth goes through three phases: first people deny it; second they say "It conflicts with the bible"; third they say they've known it all along." - Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson
Sounds like he mangled the earlier quote from Schopenhauer:"Truth passes through three phases. First it is ridiculed. Second it is fiercely and violently opposed. Third, it becomes self-evident."
Ghandi would say they left out the first step, when it is ignored.
BartSimpson @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:14 pm
Michael Crichton Michael Crichton:
In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.
sandorski @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:34 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Michael Crichton Michael Crichton:
In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.
Yes, it is irrelevant. However, anything that passes muster will become the Consensus. Merely pointing out that "Consensus is irrelevant" is even more irrelevant if you have no Data/Evidence suggesting that the Consensus may be wrong.
Scape @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:01 pm
The oceans are heat sinks and they are radiating heat and will be for decades to come.
NOAA: Ocean Stored Significant Warming Over Last 16 Years
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The upper layer of the world’s ocean has warmed since 1993, indicating a strong climate change signal, according to a new study. The energy stored is enough to power nearly 500 100-watt light bulbs per each of the roughly 6.7 billion people on the planet continuously over the 16-year study period
“We are seeing the global ocean store more heat than it gives off,” said John Lyman, an oceanographer at NOAA’s Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research, who led an international team of scientists that analyzed nine different estimates of heat content in the upper ocean from 1993 to 2008.
The team combined the estimates to assess the size and certainty of growing heat storage in the ocean. Their findings will be published in the May 20 edition of the journal Nature. The scientists are from NOAA, NASA, the Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom, the University of Hamburg in Germany and the Meteorological Research Institute in Japan.
“The ocean is the biggest reservoir for heat in the climate system,” said Josh Willis, an oceanographer at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and one of the scientists who contributed to the study. “So as the planet warms, we’re finding that 80 to 90 percent of the increased heat ends up in the ocean.”
“We are seeing the global ocean store more heat than it gives off,” said John Lyman, an oceanographer at NOAA’s Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research, who led an international team of scientists that analyzed nine different estimates of heat content in the upper ocean from 1993 to 2008.
The team combined the estimates to assess the size and certainty of growing heat storage in the ocean. Their findings will be published in the May 20 edition of the journal Nature. The scientists are from NOAA, NASA, the Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom, the University of Hamburg in Germany and the Meteorological Research Institute in Japan.
“The ocean is the biggest reservoir for heat in the climate system,” said Josh Willis, an oceanographer at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and one of the scientists who contributed to the study. “So as the planet warms, we’re finding that 80 to 90 percent of the increased heat ends up in the ocean.”
This is the science that should concern us. When that spills over to the rest of the climate it will be too late.
eureka @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:17 pm
Add to that the rapidly increasing acidification of the oceans and the conditions of the worst of the mass extinctions are being reproduced. But very much faster than any other.
Gunnair @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:40 pm
eureka eureka:
Add to that the rapidly increasing acidification of the oceans and the conditions of the worst of the mass extinctions are being reproduced. But very much faster than any other.
Even beat out the comet/asteroid 65 million years ago?
Wow, that is fast.
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:55 pm
To be followed by a 'what I intended to write', 'or it may as well be' when once again he is shown to be a chicken little asshat who pulls numbers out of his ass. Which, in and of it self is simply amazing because, seeing as his head is firmly lodged in his sphincter, I didn't think he had room for anything else in there.
eureka @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:01 pm
Is that extinction not irrelevant in this context? It was not a consequence of climate change.
Sorry that you have to wade through the puppy's poo before coming to a response.
Gunnair @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:03 pm
eureka eureka:
Is that extinction not irrelevant in this context? It was not a consequence of climate change.
Sorry that you have to wade through the puppy's poo before coming to a response.
Sorry that you have to wade through the puppy's poo before coming to a response.
Of course it was. Climate change was caused by an asteroid.
eureka @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:18 pm
No it was not climate change that produced the extinction. The atmosphere was poisoned. The climate was disrupted for a short time but temperatures quickly rebounded.
Some investigations find it may have taken only around ten years.
Gunnair @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:14 pm
eureka eureka:
No it was not climate change that produced the extinction. The atmosphere was poisoned. The climate was disrupted for a short time but temperatures quickly rebounded.
Some investigations find it may have taken only around ten years.
Some investigations find it may have taken only around ten years.
You're nitpicking because you're wrong.