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It's the end of the world as they know it . . . . and they feel fine . . . .

PMPM stated: "If the sponsorship scandal reaches my office I will resign." Seems it has. . . . .

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Goodbye Paul, it was great knowing you for the short time you were waiting to be an elected PM.

Of course no one expects him to do the honorable thing and stand by what he stated. After all, a politician with honour? This country hasn't seen such a creature since Diefenbaker. We seem to desire and elect blackguards, schemers, thieves and people of shame and reproach whose honor is rooted in their dishonor.

Ahh yes indeed, 'tis a great time to be a Canadian.

   

Its kinda hard to know WHO to belive any more as it continues to go on and on and on.....

   

What honour did Dief have, the man was a fool.

   

Completely agree with you, RH. A public inquiry with a committee of MPs is the absolute wrong way to get to the truth in this matter. Clearly, there is lying going on among the individuals testifying in front of the committee, and the posturing among the committee members does them no favours. I don't trust Gagliano farther than I can throw him, nor Guite. Frankly, I don't trust any of the politicians either, opposition or Liberal. And, of all things, I'm beginning to get concerned that Sheila Fraser's report was perhaps either taken out of context or partially misleading.

I'm not suggesting that something doesn't stink in this sponsorship deal, for clearly there's a heavy stench in the air. It's just that instead of not believing everything I read, I'm getting to the point that I don't believe ANYTHING I read on this topic.

   

The moon = Blue Cheese

or

Pentagon failing to account for billions of US$

Enron and JPM hiding billions through shell games like Mahonia

Shell oil continuing to overstate reserves which they knew were false for years

UN stealing from the Iraq oil-for-food program

Oh and there is no Santa or Easter Bunny.

   

It's also becoming the major election issue, which it really shouldn't be. Most people already knew that government wastes money and there are a lot of shady patronage deals. The election issue should be how to change the system to fix that problem and that should be one of several major issues.

Instead what we are seeing is $100,000,000...a drop in the bucket government spending-wise...being used as a way to give us more of the same, no matter who wins the next election. While the symptom gets blown out of proportion, nobody is talking about how to create a vaccine to keep the disease away in the first place. Even the whistle-blower legislation is soft and unlikely to produce results.

There were guidelines in place. Anybody who broke those guidelines should be punished. There are laws about embezzlement. Anybody who broke those laws should be charged. The committee should be responsible for coming up with a list of recommendations on how this happened and how to keep it from happening again. That should all happen outside the scope of regular Parliamentary duties.

   

Of course it should be an election issue - it must be an election issue. Interesting how you attempt to minimise the what appears to date to be theft, fraud and influence peddling as 'waste.' You're very free with other people's money - which happens to be a tradition of the knee dippers, yeah?

The election issue should in fact be a message to the Fib/gLiberals and any other party that assumes the mantle, that corruption disguised in any guise will not be tolerated - end of story.

PMPM appears to be en-route to affecting a minor change inasmuch as he will have the Ethics Commissioner (even though everyone and I mean absolutely everyone and their cousins know the knee dippers have none and frequently get lost looking for them - but that's another story) report directly to parliament. Another step he could take in the right direction would be to withdraw the position of Deputy Minister from the Commissioner of the RCMP - remove that, have the position completely removed from parliament and the ruling party - especially for the current fool on a spending spree.


There is nothing 'instead' about it - it is not a drop in the bucket except to members of the hard left who in a majority don't contribute via taxes but sit back, watch television, consume massive amounts of alcohol and tobacco shortly after receiving 'la check' - yes/no?

I give you credit for your observation that the whistle-blower legislation is 'soft and ulikely to produce results' - now there's a total understatement. Interesting however that the very party that could suffer the most direct and collateral damage from 'hard' protection is the very bunch of wankers suffering from whistle blowers who must have lawyers write the terms of agreement prior to them blowing the whistle.


There were, are, and still are quidelines in place - problem is these gLibs thought they would circumvent them and steal, steal, steal. Embezzlement is not a factor - however fraud, theft, extortion, influence peddling and outright stupidity are. They assumed that you are an idiot - anyone who doesn't have the ability to see that likely is - and that's where pmpm thinks he'll get your vote.

The committee should be more aggressive, however being stacked with fiberals who filibuster every time the questions get too close to the bone, it becomes a difficult task - they should however ask the proper questions without concern for the politically correct. This committee will uncover next to nothing even though they have the legal power to go where no gLiberal would go.

The next step is a judicial inquiry with warrants issued for telephone records (hello Arizona!) - bank records, mortgage payments etc . . . and not just for those who find themselves under the microscope - but family and friends that abound.

   

I agree, a message should deafinatly be sent.
Now, what of our alternatives? Forgive me, I've been out of country for about 15 months now, not really up to date. Is the united right really united? Would there be too much inner bickering to actually get stuff done? Lets hear some opinions on Fiberal alternatives, yeah?

*Gulp* ahhhh Corona Extra with lime. Not bad. But what I wouldn't give for a Pilsner on ice...

   

Steven Harper was last seen talking in public to Brian Mulroney. they both mentioned having meetings and comparing notes. We're supposed to worry about Liberal corruption and not Conservative corruption when Brian Mulroney is involved with the Conservative leader? Yeah, right.

The Conservatives represent more of the same corruption-wise, but there's an added twist. They won't discuss issues. Health care, social programs, military spending, foreign policy, the environment...nope they won't talk about that. What they like to talk about is how corrupt and evil the Liberals are. Except they give no indication they are any better.

There are alternatives, Robair. The NDP, the Green Party...hell, even the Marijuana party is more willing to discuss issues than the Conservatives. Could that be because Harper has only one policy and realises that Canadians are unlikely to vote for becoming Americans?

   

You might try the following:

"Yesterday, in full view of the press, Stephen Harper met with former Prime Minister Brian Mulroney."

Now, don't you think that more aptly portrays the truth than your twisted, mangled and mungled observation of things that weren't?


They did indeed. In fact they were so not trying to hide anything they did it all in public with the press present, unlike your good self which always seems to be absent.


You are indeed. I know you have extreme difficulty differentiating between the here and now and the then and was, but rest assured when I tell you Mulroney left in 1993 and that was - honestly, it really was more than ten years ago. Having revealed that truth I realise you continue to suffer from the self-inflicted delusion it was only yesterday if not in fact nearly tomorrow, but I promise, I really really promise it was more than ten years ago.


Of course there are alternatives, do you think everyone on this board other than my good self is thick?

Why do you talk to people as if they were stupid? Why do you talk to Robair as if he is particularly thick when we all know he isn't?

This may come as a complete surprise, but the people on this board and others know there are alternatives - a good indicator might be more than one box that can be checked when they walk into a voting booth if nothing else, yeah?

Sheesh already. . . .

   

And what are your proposed alternatives, Karra?

   

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Speaking of having only one policy....

   

It's still one more policy than the Conservatives have, Third Eye.

   

Well... yea, there's always a lot of places to put your x, but who is the race actually going to be between? I can vote NDP all I want and the most I can hope for is official party status, unless I've been gone too long and am totally out of touch... How close will the race be? Where do the partys stand right now, all wishfull thinking aside... I could vote for the Mary Jane party too if I wanted to make some kind of statement, but that's not my style. I would rather have a vote that counts.

   

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