Prime Minister Steven Harper
AdamNF @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:22 am
Well if i was a fascist i may vote that way...but seeing im not, i wont.
Thats a fun word to say, fascist.
Nugga_Nu @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:24 am
I like the sound of that! He's the right man to lead Canada.
Paul Martin and the Liberals are lying, thieving twats. Vote for the Conservatives!!
Nugga_Nu @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:34 am
That's a pretty lame argument. You're obviously a Lib or a NDPer, so that's pretty much par for the course for you guys. Anyone that doesn't agree with the leftist agenda is automatically a racist or a fascist. When you say fascist, do you mean like Hitler, or militant Islam? Or is it you just don't like the Conservatives.
How about not having your money stolen and pissed away by the billions, doesn't that sound good?
Oh wait, you are in the maritimes. Upset the apple cart and you might lose your welfare cheque.
thirdEye @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:40 pm
AdamNF AdamNF:
Well if i was a fascist i may vote that way...but seeing im not, i wont.
Thats a fun word to say, fascist.
Thats a fun word to say, fascist.
You evidently don't know the meaning of the word since you throw it around so carelessly.
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fas·cism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fshzm)
n.
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.
n : a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
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We are moving closer to fascism under the Liberals than we ever would by anything Stpehen Harper has ever proposed. And if you want a blatant example of fascism in Canada, you need only look at Quebec's language laws.
Some loose relationships between the current government and the definition above:
"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator," - concentration of power in the PMO, democratic deficit in government
"stringent socioeconomic controls" - gun registry, increased bureaucracy and regulation, crushing taxes, social engineering, media controls
"suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship" - gag laws, government controlled media (CBC), government regulated media (CRTC), slander of the opposition, language police
"typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism" - Quebec - not exactly belligerent, but nationalist and somewhat racist
We're not quite a fascist country yet, but we're moving that way bit by bit under the Liberals.
AdamNF @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:47 pm
I do know what it means, and now i know even more thanks to your post. I love the world, its my favorte word to say...besides spatchula
othello @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:16 pm
You mean "spatula"? 
Hopper @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:38 pm
Another fun word to say is "obsequeous".
I like "scintillating" too........ 
othello @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:39 pm
Unfortunately, Stephen Harper is not the most "scintillating" public speaker, but I'll agree that he's got a good head on his shoulders. He actually knows how to use his grey matter.
Rev_Blair @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:06 pm
If Steven Harper were Prime Minister, based on policies he has suggested and things he has said:
We would be a country at war right now, and at increased risk of terrorism as a result. We would be in violation of international law.
Health care would be on its way to privatisation, American style.
Quebec, and likely a large portion of the Maritimes, would be on their way to separating.
Alberta and Ontario would be increasingly wealthy while all other provinces and territories would be poor and getting poorer.
The cost of education would have risen dramatically.
We would have backed out of many international treaties.
We would be unpopular on the world stage, seen as little more than a client state of the United States.
We would have no Wheat Board.
We would have no arts programs.
We would have severely weakened labour laws.
We would use racial profiling aas an official part of police and security work.
We would send people to third countries to be tortured.
We would be using the American dollar.
Gays would not be allowed to marry.
There would be no move to decriminalise marijuana, even for medical uses.
We would have broken our treaties with the natives.
The sepation between church (Harper's church) and state would be badly eroded.
We would not have signed Kyoto.
We would be moving backwards on clean energy technology and every other environmental initiative of the last 40 years.
Steven Harper does not espouse the values of most Canadians. He has no care for our sovereignty, he has no care for our freedom. All Steven Harper cares about is money, and that only for a small circle of his friends. He has no soul and the eyes of a Nazi.
Steven Harper is a bad and dangerous man. I hope he crawls back into whatever slime-pit breeds scum like him.
Rosco @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:47 pm
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
If Steven Harper were Prime Minister, based on policies he has suggested and things he has said:
We would be a country at war right now, and at increased risk of terrorism as a result. We would be in violation of international law.
We are effectively at war, just not in Iraq.
Health care would be on its way to privatisation, American style.
It's inevitable, public care in the 21st century will be a thing of the past
Quebec, and likely a large portion of the Maritimes, would be on their way to separating.
I doubt it
Alberta and Ontario would be increasingly wealthy while all other provinces and territories would be poor and getting poorer.
They're getting poorer and poorer anyway, it's just that right now they're dragging Ontario and Alberta down with them, maybe it's time for someone to push an alternative to the incentive killing redistribution model?
The cost of education would have risen dramatically.
It is as you read this
We would have backed out of many international treaties.
Probably the ones that harm our interests
We would be unpopular on the world stage, seen as little more than a client state of the United States.
We're quite close already
We would have no Wheat Board.
Boo Hoo
We would have no arts programs.
Art is fine but there are a lot of things that should hold priority
We would have severely weakened labour laws.
Good, we could use it
We would use racial profiling as an official part of police and security work.
We do already
We would send people to third countries to be tortured.
Ditto
We would be using the American dollar.
Good, I'd love to trade the Canadian peso for something with respectable value
Gays would not be allowed to marry.
Oh no!
There would be no move to decriminalise marijuana, even for medical uses.
Why not? Alaska did it with a Republican governor.
We would have broken our treaties with the natives.
Many of these *should* be reexamined.
The sepation between church (Harper's church) and state would be badly eroded.
I'll give you that one
We would not have signed Kyoto.
Good
We would be moving backwards on clean energy technology and every other environmental initiative of the last 40 years.
That's bogus, look at oil man Bush and how he'd actually put more resources into alternative energy than any of his predessors. Alternative energy is something that can't be ignored at this stage of the game.
Steven Harper does not espouse the values of most Canadians. He has no care for our sovereignty, he has no care for our freedom. All Steven Harper cares about is money, and that only for a small circle of his friends. He has no soul and the eyes of a Nazi.
Steven Harper is a bad and dangerous man. I hope he crawls back into whatever slime-pit breeds scum like him.
And yet he'd still better than the alternative
We would be a country at war right now, and at increased risk of terrorism as a result. We would be in violation of international law.
We are effectively at war, just not in Iraq.
Health care would be on its way to privatisation, American style.
It's inevitable, public care in the 21st century will be a thing of the past
Quebec, and likely a large portion of the Maritimes, would be on their way to separating.
I doubt it
Alberta and Ontario would be increasingly wealthy while all other provinces and territories would be poor and getting poorer.
They're getting poorer and poorer anyway, it's just that right now they're dragging Ontario and Alberta down with them, maybe it's time for someone to push an alternative to the incentive killing redistribution model?
The cost of education would have risen dramatically.
It is as you read this
We would have backed out of many international treaties.
Probably the ones that harm our interests
We would be unpopular on the world stage, seen as little more than a client state of the United States.
We're quite close already
We would have no Wheat Board.
Boo Hoo
We would have no arts programs.
Art is fine but there are a lot of things that should hold priority
We would have severely weakened labour laws.
Good, we could use it
We would use racial profiling as an official part of police and security work.
We do already
We would send people to third countries to be tortured.
Ditto
We would be using the American dollar.
Good, I'd love to trade the Canadian peso for something with respectable value
Gays would not be allowed to marry.
Oh no!
There would be no move to decriminalise marijuana, even for medical uses.
Why not? Alaska did it with a Republican governor.
We would have broken our treaties with the natives.
Many of these *should* be reexamined.
The sepation between church (Harper's church) and state would be badly eroded.
I'll give you that one
We would not have signed Kyoto.
Good
We would be moving backwards on clean energy technology and every other environmental initiative of the last 40 years.
That's bogus, look at oil man Bush and how he'd actually put more resources into alternative energy than any of his predessors. Alternative energy is something that can't be ignored at this stage of the game.
Steven Harper does not espouse the values of most Canadians. He has no care for our sovereignty, he has no care for our freedom. All Steven Harper cares about is money, and that only for a small circle of his friends. He has no soul and the eyes of a Nazi.
Steven Harper is a bad and dangerous man. I hope he crawls back into whatever slime-pit breeds scum like him.
And yet he'd still better than the alternative
RoyalHighlander @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:46 pm
Rev, i take it you dont like harper too much huh??? well can he be any worse then the Liberal crooks we have ion poower now??? People are starving, theyare cutting back on programs, and at the same time they are filling their pockets with OUR hard easrned money
Rev_Blair @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:31 pm
Actually...Yeah he can be worse.
I'm not saying that the Liberals are any damned good, and I think everybody here understands that I'm not going to vote for them, but Harper very much represents a step down even from them. We have no reason to believe that he will any more more honest or forthright...in fact if you look at his past he'd fit right in to either the Chretien or Martin cabinets in that regard.
Harper truly believes that we should act more like the Americans though and, contrary to Rosco's little bit of an answer, that is not where most Canadians think we should be heading. That's shown up in poll after poll for over ten years.
It's also why Harper is pounding away so hard on this sponsorship scandal. He knows damned well he hasn't got a shot if he has to stand on policy and his record...Canadians have consistently refused those things since Preston Manning was in charge. It's also why Harper is afraid to debate Jack Layton on the issues...Jack has him beat when it comes to what people say they want.
So yeah, there is something worse than the Liberals. Steven Harper and his Reform/Alliance/Conservative party are worse than the Liberals. It wasn't easy, but they managed it.
Scape @ Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:55 am
Oh yea of little faith. Remember, Canada is the great experiment conjured by a Scottish alcoholic. We are amazed it made it this far! As long as the beer, bud, and broads keep flowing, and we share that wealth with as many as we can, then we will have a prosperous future. Harper has the conservative vote and we made him just that 'scary' but the idea of being fiscally responsible should always be in fashion. I am not sold on Jacks analogy of paying the morgage down before we pay the light bill bit. There must never again be an unbalanced budget and we have no excuse to pay that debt off. We are not Americans, we should not depend on deficit spending to keep the economy afloat. We have a 3.5 trillion dollar debt (since 1999) time to get that down and pass a law that will make it pushable to have it even come close to a trillion, money wasted on paying interest could be better put to improving health,education and lowering taxes on beer. As for being at war, what is it we are doing with of our troops in OP ATHENA or OP PALLADIUM? Are we the after action boys? Clean up crew for our messy younger brother down south? We have a Force the size of the NYPD only sightly better equipped. We might as well be using a stern look for Christ sakes. How is Canada to be taken even partially seriously if we can't even handle the meagerest of tasks? Iraq is now going to be at least another Cyprus in length and probably the west bank in intensity. Right or wrong the war will go on but as long as we consume we owe a responsibility toward the common good and we need a party that will best achieve that goal. I believe the liberals will have a minority and I have not yet decided who will best represent my ideal of Canada but I will likely vote with the candidate who has the best sense of humor, so far Martin and Layton are in the lead.
Nugga_Nu @ Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:53 am
At this point, who cares if Quebec separates? How long will they last without us? Like, 2 months? The separatist card has been something they've been using for years to hold the rest of Canada ransom. I'd be more worried about losing Alberta - they contribute, while Quebec and the maritimes leach off us and suck the country dry.
Alberta, Ontario, Manitoba, Sask and BC should join forces and separate from Quebec and the maritimes if you ask me.
We are at war, and we are a target of terrorism, don't fool yourself.
I can't believe how leftist this country has become - brainwashed by the CBC (aka the Communist Broadcasting Corporation) and the Toronto Star (Canadian Pravda and a Liberal Party Organ)
One thing Harper would fix is the sheer amount of illegals that pour into the country - those are the ones we have to worry about with regards to terrorism and crime.
thirdEye @ Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:09 am
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
Steven Harper does not espouse the values of most Canadians. He has no care for our sovereignty, he has no care for our freedom. All Steven Harper cares about is money, and that only for a small circle of his friends. He has no soul and the eyes of a Nazi.
Steven Harper is a bad and dangerous man. I hope he crawls back into whatever slime-pit breeds scum like him.
Steven Harper is a bad and dangerous man. I hope he crawls back into whatever slime-pit breeds scum like him.
Sounds like the rantings and ravings of a wildly deluded, misinformed and bitter left wing zealot.
Get a grip.