The United Nations. . . .
karra @ Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:44 pm
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Anyone remember those orange UNICEF boxes you carried around on Halloween? That's one ofthe many things the UN does that no one hears about.
I remember those boxes, and I remember the scandal that ensued when it was discovered starving children continued to starve because the money collected by children throughout the western world on Halloween was being stolen. Not mismanaged, not lost, not missing - stolen, by UNICEF management. And still the children starve. . . .
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HOw do you define an Anti-American?
Simple really - read below.
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You know what I do want to hear? I want to hear that the US is willing to accept the responsibility that comes with being the world's only super-power. I want to hear that you recognise that what your government is doing is wrong and that you need to find a government that will do better, or at least harmful. I want you to recognise that when your government causes unrest in the rest of the world that it harms the US in the long-term. I want to hear that you recognise that imperialism, no matter who does it, is wrong.
Most of all I just want the US administration to start promoting democracy and human rights instead of violating them for fun and profit.
Now you've breached the pathetic in your insane hate for America. I want, I want, I want - and it's all against America. What about the multitude of countries in Africa? What about China, N. Korea, Russia, Israel, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Macedonia, Cuba, Haiti, the Turks and Caicos and so on and so forth . . .
Truly is all about you isn't it?
Nothing a slap of reality up the side of the head wouldn't fix.
Here's a little slap of reality for you, Karra. US foreign policy has caused or exacerbated problems all over the globe. Your little rant, from your tiny brain, includes countries whose actions have very little effect outside of their own borders. In fact, judging by the list you just snagged all the minor countries your limited intellect could recall.
Is there anything you are actually for, or do just hate everything?
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
Here's a little slap of reality for you, Karra. US foreign policy has caused or exacerbated problems all over the globe. Your little rant, from your tiny brain, includes countries whose actions have very little effect outside of their own borders. In fact, judging by the list you just snagged all the minor countries your limited intellect could recall.
So, with your reasoning, It's Ok for other countries to behave in the same manner as the US whether it's bad or good, b/c their actions don't have a profound affect globally? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Every country should be prosecuted equally no matter how big or small their deeds. I don't want the US to become some whipping boy for some smaller country just b/c the international community feels sorry for them. The UK got it at the height of their power, and we're getting it now. It's just human nature for people to try to bring you down to their level when you are on top.
Oh, last I heard Russia and China, not very insignificant countries and on a global scale they're probably above Canada mainly because of their geography and population(ie workforce).
If the US is not prosecuted when it breaks international law, how can we prosecute others? If the US has a right to act unilaterally and invade Iraq in what is looking more and more like a resource grab, how can blame other nations for doing the same.
I'm all for equal and fair prosecution, Abe. That starts with the US, as the most powerful nation, agreeing that if they or their citizens commit war crimes or crimes against humanity that they will stand trial for it. As long as the US is not willing to do that, then every petty dictator on the planet has a valid point when they point and say, "Well, they did it and you didn't go after them."
People did go after Britain when it was at the height of its power. They continue to do so now. They also go after France, Russia, and China. Those are the other permanent members of the Security Council. Quit feeling picked on and adjust your actions and rhetoric by leading by example and opening the US up to same standards as the rest of the world and you can take a moral stance against those other four countries.
What it really comes down to is that if the US wants to lead the world, then they have to have the balls to lead by example. Nothing less is acceptable.
Fine then, I want the international community to prosecute my government to the full extent of the law.
Ofcourse I say this knowing it will never, ever happen! If our government doesn't cooperate what will the other countries do. Absofreakinlutely NOTHING!! They'll go back to their seats, spout how much they hate the US, and pout. I mean as long as we are the UN's bankroll and all.
I've heard it thousands of times throughout my living in this country "America does not have friends, we have interest." And as bad as it is it's true, and if people were honest with themselves they would realize it's true for their countries too.
I've expressed this before on here, but I really do expect Canada's leaders to abide by international law and be prosecuted if they don't.
There is a real problem with the US trying to say they lead the world and are backing democracy when their record is considered. In the end it is up to the American people to push for leaders who will obey international law. The latest batch doesn't even respect US domestic and military law though. I never see that little fact being brought up on the US news stations.
karra @ Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:44 pm
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What about China, N. Korea, Russia, Israel, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Macedonia, Cuba, Haiti, the Turks and Caicos and so on and so forth . . .
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In fact, judging by the list you just snagged all the minor countries your limited intellect could recall.
As usual you have done your usual hatchet job on posts that offend you. Now pay attention - notice the
"and so on and so forth"? followed by
". . . . " ?
Didn't think you did or you would have, 'cause a person of reasonable intelligence would have, immediately understood what those thingys mean, yeah?
You're welcome.
To assist you, here is the list of permanent members: China, France, Russian Federation, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, United States of America.
Carry on.
Scape @ Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:13 am
AbeLincoln AbeLincoln:
Fine then, I want the international community to prosecute my government to the full extent of the law.
Ofcourse I say this knowing it will never, ever happen! If our government doesn't cooperate what will the other countries do. Absofreakinlutely NOTHING!! They'll go back to their seats, spout how much they hate the US, and pout. I mean as long as we are the UN's bankroll and all.
I've heard it thousands of times throughout my living in this country "America does not have friends, we have interest." And as bad as it is it's true, and if people were honest with themselves they would realize it's true for their countries too.
For every action...There is a saying that the rich man will sell you the rope you hang him with. Thanks in part to
fractional banking the US economy is being cut to death by the death of a 1000 cuts. The US economy is exporting it's middle class and they are going to China and India. The US has an unemployment rate of 5.7% but the quality of jobs has degraded with less benefits and lower wages. The US can not defend itself against a Chinese industrialist using slave labor (that the US can never use but would love to exploit) or the Indian with a phone line and a internet connection. Middle class (well paying and accessible to the masses) jobs are drying up and being export cost effectively to other markets that do not necessarily have the US best 'interests' at heart. What has changed in the economy? Out with phones, film, and trees. In with insurance, pre paid cell phones, and drugs. Not exactly a trade which makes the Index more "financial." But if the Index is designed to represent the U.S. economy, what does the change tell us?
Hitler believed that he had a network of spies in England who would be able to fill him in on the coming landings. But these spies had almost all been discovered and "turned," so they were feeding false information to the German high command. Thus the information that Hitler was receiving was worse than no information at all. It not only lacked quality... it lacked integrity. The US is suffering from the same financial intelligence and has based forecasts on unsustainable debt that will collapse taking the US economy with it.
Fine example of the incredible shrinking US economy.
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Ingvar Kamprad, the Swede who founded furniture retail chain IKEA, has overtaken Microsoft's Bill Gates as the world's richest man. SVT2 said the dollar's slide against other currencies is the main reason why Kamprad has now overtaken Gates.
What has caused this? Have people just sold their computers for lawn chairs? NO! The US dollar has dropped in real value by 30% in the last year alone. It now has 37 trillion in debt and other currencies are simply making more money for investors. It's only a matter of time now.
What happens when those foreign investors want their money and there isn't any there? Does the US fall into the same kind of mess that has plagued South American countries?
Robair @ Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:06 am
The USA national debt clock:
Interesting link: http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
So..what happens to Canada when our number one business partner goes broke?
Twila @ Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:08 am
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what happens to Canada when our number one business partner goes broke?
We look to other countries. I've worked for 2 different companies now that have produced 2 completely different products who's biggest (by far) purchaser is the Japanese. It is possible for businesses to make financially viable options with different countries. It's just whether they'll accept change or not.
sk1d @ Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:45 am
it will never go broke, it borrows from itself, so it doesn't have to pay it back, and they keep raising the limit on how much they can borrow
they have to keep pretending to pay down the debt, otherwise it will be seen as though the government is priniting money willie nillie and inflation skyrockets and the economy collapses, but that's not going to to happen for a long time to come
You better check that sk1d. China, the EU, or Japan could destroy the US economy just by calling in the debt. Canada and a dozen other nations could cripple part or all of the US economy by cutting off exports of energy and other raw materials.
The US is hugely in debt and that debt is far from being all internal. Economists are starting to get nervous, comparing the US to Argentina. That ain't good.
Scape @ Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:23 pm
More than 60% of U.S. corporations didn't pay any federal taxes for 1996 through 2000
This is why the US is debt dependent. It could pay the debt if it could tax the corporations that work there but it is controlled by multinational corporations who contribute to the political process (read pork barreling) and and not tied to any one market. Even if the US were to hold them all accountable like an ENRON all they would do is simply change the name and have it based offshore, outside of US jurisdiction.
It's called a recession people. And even at devaluation the Greenback is still worth more than Canadian money, so I don't know what your point is with that one. Our gas prices are at record highs but still some of the lowest in the world. Canada could become trade partners with all of those other countries you named but as long as the US population is 10 times that of Canada, we will still be a more viable trade partner b/c Americans buy a lot and we buy big. Despite what dreams most may have of our economic downfall, it ain't happening. We've been through this before(late 70's-early 90's) and it won't be the last time either.
But I do agree that our surpluses have been mismanaged (understatement of the century) and that is going to have to be turned around in November.