War makes beasts of men

"What i found was absolutely stunning. I found that the majority of prisoners at Abu Ghraib hadn't committed any crimes against the coalition -- they hadn't committed violent crimes. They were at Abu Ghraib for petty theft, public drunkenness, forged coalition documents, impersonating a coalition officer, petty nonviolent offenses and they were inside Abu Ghraib with real murderers, real rapists, real insurgents. In addition, a large percentage of those at Abu Ghraib hadn't committed any offense at all. The military had a policy of random sweeps..."

"What i found "

"What I found..." is someone's opinion or perception and not a fact. It's a cowardly way to state non-factual information as a fact. It is a nice propaganda technique and nothing more.

As in, "What I found about Canadians is..."

Is it somones opinion if it was recorded that said Iraqi prisoner was not in Abu Ghraib for a violent act againts the Coalition, but was being exposed to war crimes and breaks in the Geneva Convention for simple looting or public drunkeness?

Former President Carter

Rejecting the Iranian demands, Carter approved an ill-conceived secret rescue mission, Operation Eagle Claw. On the night of April 24-25, 1980, as the first part of the operation, a number of C-130 transport airplanes rendezvoused with nine RH-53 helicopters at an airstrip in the Great Salt Desert of South-Eastern Iran. Two helicopters broke down in a sandstorm and a third was damaged on landing. The mission was aborted but as the aircraft took off again one helicopter clipped a C-130 and crashed, killed eight US servicemen and injuring four or more. In the evacuation sufficient mission material was left behind for the Iranians to discover and later display to the world's media.

The official history states that after winning the election, before his inauguration, Reagan pushed hard for a resolution. Using the Algerian government as intermediaries successful negotiations were completed. However ther eis strong evidence of what is termed the "Ootober Surprise" took place.

This is the name for the substantuve allegation that representatives of the Reagan presidential campaign made a deal at two sets of meetings in July and August at the Ritz Hotel in Madrid with Iranians to delay the release of Americans held hostage in Iran until after the November 1980 presidential elections, so that Reagan's opponent, then President Jimmy Carter, whose team had been negotiating, wouldn't gain a popularity boost (an 'October Surprise') before election day. The allegations included a date-specific allegation that William Casey met with an Iranian cleric in Madrid, Spain, and much of the tardy investigations centered on whether, at the weekend in question he was actually at Bohemian Grove retreat in California. Though William Casey was provably in London following the alleged meetings, critical pages of his daybook diary were unaccountably missing when the investigators came to look for them over a decade later.

Carter was at the time dealing with the Iran hostage crisis and the hostile regime of the Ayatollah Khomeini. Those who aver that a deal was made allege that certain Republicans with CIA connections, including George H. W. Bush, arranged to have the hostages held through October, until Reagan could defeat Carter in early November, and then be released. The hostages were in fact released on the very day of Reagan's inauguration, twenty minutes after his inaugral address. If the timing was a double-cross that was meant to tip off the American public to the game, it failed to elicit much commentary.

God Bless the USA!

I think that the torture the Iraqi prisoners are undergoing is so far worse then death, I can't imagine it. These people lived their entire lives under the rule of the madman Saddam Huessain, the "most dangerous man in the world." They only had one enduring hope, and let's face it, to the uneducated Middle Eastern peasent, America is this gleaming ray of light. But what did America end up doing? They tortured, killed, and dehuminized people for the simple crime of being born in Iraq.

SadBlue SadBlue:

I think that the torture the Iraqi prisoners are undergoing is so far worse then death, I can't imagine it. These people lived their entire lives under the rule of the madman Saddam Huessain, the "most dangerous man in the world." They only had one enduring hope, and let's face it, to the uneducated Middle Eastern peasent, America is this gleaming ray of light. But what did America end up doing? They tortured, killed, and dehuminized people for the simple crime of being born in Iraq.

Uh, wow. ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?? :lol:

TheUSofA1776 TheUSofA1776:

SadBlue SadBlue:

I think that the torture the Iraqi prisoners are undergoing is so far worse then death, I can't imagine it. These people lived their entire lives under the rule of the madman Saddam Huessain, the "most dangerous man in the world." They only had one enduring hope, and let's face it, to the uneducated Middle Eastern peasent, America is this gleaming ray of light. But what did America end up doing? They tortured, killed, and dehuminized people for the simple crime of being born in Iraq.

Uh, wow. ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?? :lol:

Not certain, but rather. Now, to America's credit, your country incredibly good at making themselves look incredibly good (I.E covering up their faults) and too the unimformed Middle Eastern peasent, as I said before, they seem like this big to-good-to-be true savior, Al-Queda and other Muslim fanatics aside.

But you still can't argue that what the Iraqi people experianced at Abu Gharib was a crime againts Human rights.