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Was the Iraq War Worth the Cost?

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Toro @ Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:15 pm

I have no opinion about whether or not America should have invaded Iraq, though I very much want the United States to succeed now that they have.

However, was the war worth the cost, in terms of both resources and lives? One paper answers "Yes".

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War in Iraq versus Containment*

...Prior to the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the United States, Britain and their allies pursued a policy of containment authorized by the United Nations Security Council. Major elements of the policy included economic sanctions on Iraq, disarmament requirements, weapons inspections, Northern and Southern no-fly zones within Iraq, and maritime interdiction to enforce trade restrictions. Continued containment was the leading option to war and forcible regime change. We analyze these two policy options, war and containment, with attention to three questions:

• In terms of military resources and expenditures for humanitarian assistance and reconstruction, is war more or less costly for the United States than a policy of continued containment?
• Compared to war and forcible regime change, would a continuation of the containment policy have saved Iraqi lives?
• Is war likely to bring about an improvement or deterioration in the economic well-being of Iraqis?

...Forcible regime change in Iraq has proved to be a costly undertaking. As of January 2006, it appears likely that the Iraq intervention will ultimately unfold along a path that implies present value costs for the United States in the range of 410 to 630 billion in 2003 dollars.

...The high cost of the Iraq intervention is sometimes seen as a compelling argument against the decision to forcibly overthrow the ruling order and install a new regime. This argument is deficient because it ignores the costs of alternative responses to the national security and humanitarian concerns presented by the pre-war Iraqi regime. A wellfounded verdict on the Iraq intervention requires, at a minimum, an evaluation of what these alternatives would cost.

...Factoring the contingencies into the analysis yields present value costs for the containment policy in the range of $350 to $700 billion.

...We also consider the consequences of the war-versus containment choice in two other respects: the economic well-being of Iraqis, and the loss of Iraqi lives. Based on our analysis, we conclude that the war will lead to large improvements in the economic wellbeing of most Iraqis relative to their prospects under the policy of containment. This conclusion follows from some basic observations. First, the Iraqi economy was in terrible condition before the war, and it would have remained in a sorry state under the policy of containment. Second, the regime of Saddam Hussein was an economic failure of tremendous proportions. The available evidence suggests that real income per capita fell by roughly 75 percent as a consequence of Saddam’s misrule. In addition, much of Iraq’s greatly diminished output was diverted to an oversized military, an apparatus of terror and repression and the relentless glorification of Saddam. Third, the removal of sanctions, the expansion of petroleum exports, large-scale reconstruction aid, and the reintegration of Iraq’s economy into the world economy provide a strong basis for economic gains – even in a society with serious institutional weaknesses. If, over the course of a generation, Iraqis recover even half of the economic losses they suffered under Saddam Hussein, then they will be significantly better off in material terms as a consequence of forcible regime change.

The economic failures of the Saddam Hussein regime were not its greatest crimes. The regime brought torture, repression, displacement and death to huge numbers of Iraqis and others. We review some of the evidence in this regard, drawing heavily on work by others. All told, the regime killed or caused the deaths of more than 500,000 Iraqis. Under the policy of containment after the 1991 Gulf War, a reasonable estimate is that at least 200,000 Iraqis died prematurely at the hands of the regime or as a direct consequence of its policies, including its refusal to comply with U.N. Security Council Resolutions and its diversion of oil revenues and other resources to palaces and monuments. Had containment remained in effect, the historical record suggests that premature Iraqi deaths would have continued indefinitely at the rate of 10,000 to 30,000 per year.

...Perhaps the strongest reason to question this assessment is the possibility that a post-war Iraq could devolve into an extended and large-scale civil war. This possibility cannot be ruled out. What can be ruled out in light of the evidence is that the leading alternative to war involved little loss of Iraqi lives.


http://gsbwww.uchicago.edu/fac/steven.d ... ary%202006).pdf

   



gstang23 @ Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:28 pm

With daily news reports saying x number of soldiers/civilians died, its easy to say its not worth it. But I think the most of the country of Iraq would say it is worth it. Will this bring comfort to the parents/children/spouses/relatives of those who died? For most, not at all. But there is now one less country under the thumb of a cruel and inhumane dictator. Now the hard part. It has to remain that way.

   



Jaime_Souviens @ Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:31 pm

You have to keep in mind the cost of the pre-war U.N. sanctions regime.

Accordingg to one (almost certainly inflated) estimate posted by, of all places, The World Socialist Website in 2000, 4,000 children were dying because of the sanctions per month :

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Yet the UN, US and Britain still continue the policy of sanctions that has caused widespread chronic malnutrition and child mortality rates of 4,000 a month for those aged five and under. The documentary explained that "the US and Britain have killed more people through the imposition of sanctions against Iraq than were killed by two atomic bombs dropped on Japan in World War Two—including half a million children". One decade ago Iraq was a developed country. Now, internationally isolated and denied access to world trade, it has been "condemned to a slow death".


World Socialist Website


Now, of course, this is unreliable crap.

However, if we take the Socialists at their word, then 144,000 people would have died in the last 36 months. (4,000 x 36 = 144,000).

If the invasion has only killed 40,000, then the US invasion is an absolute humanitarian gift off the highest order. 100,000 people are alive today, freed by the U.S. from the ravages of the U.N.

And how can you put a value on that???

   



heliho @ Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:12 pm

I think the death of anybody who is a non-combatant is wrong. 100,000 + Irac people. Some soldiers. Alot of your plain ordinary "I JUST WANT TO HAVE A FAMILY AND LIVE MY LIFE TYPES". If the US attacked Canada, I am sure that we would be considered terrorists because we would fight dirty and to the death to keep our country. If you beleive that what the US did was for the worlds good, then wait, they should have no problem walking into Canada. I plan to keep my faith in Canada.

   



Christy @ Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:16 pm

No one seems to recognise that the invasion was just the end game of a war that started in 1990. Call it whatever you want it was a war that whole time and now maybe it can finally come to an end.

   



Johnny_Utah @ Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:40 pm

Christy Christy:
No one seems to recognise that the invasion was just the end game of a war that started in 1990. Call it whatever you want it was a war that whole time and now maybe it can finally come to an end.

When US Fighter Jets were patrolling the UN no Fly Zones and were fired upon almost daily, that itself was an act of War. So your right the War itself never ended and the UN sanctions couldn't go on forever. History will judge if it was worth it. However the World is better off without Saddam in power.

   



Scape @ Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:09 pm

Toro Toro:
However, was the war worth the cost, in terms of both resources and lives? One paper answers "Yes".


"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." --YogiBerra

Is any war 'worth it'? If this war is successful if will have validated the policy of preemptive war. As long as it was only used sparingly and by the US as the proponents of this policy argue, then ultimately what can possibly go wrong? You can see the logical extension of this will bleed into greater Persia and perhaps beyond. It is only a matter of when not if that Pandora's box will open now. Will the repercussions from it be 'worth it'? I see other countries cheering on this war from the sidelines while the US has put generations swimming in a debt they never consented to or will ever be able to pay for. Will their ire be worth it when they find out their future was sold down the river on them?

   



Banff @ Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:33 am

heliho heliho:
I think the death of anybody who is a non-combatant is wrong. 100,000 + Irac people. Some soldiers. Alot of your plain ordinary "I JUST WANT TO HAVE A FAMILY AND LIVE MY LIFE TYPES". If the US attacked Canada, I am sure that we would be considered terrorists because we would fight dirty and to the death to keep our country. If you beleive that what the US did was for the worlds good, then wait, they should have no problem walking into Canada. I plan to keep my faith in Canada.


I've always wondered if the US would eventually make their rounds to Canada . It would be messy and the US would loose all of its allies instantly. Maybe they've already defeated us without having to lift a single weapon (Economics 101)

   



bootlegga @ Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:27 pm

I think it far too early to say it's been a success or not. I'm sure there were plenty of people after WW2 in occupied Germany and Japan who thought they would be there forever and that the effects of the war would last just as long, but nowadays Germany and Japan (despite occasional differences) are staunch Western allies.

If Iraq turns out this way and creates something special in the Middle East, the price will definitely have been worth it. However if a civil war starts (like in Lebanon during the70s/80s) or it backslides into another dictatorship in a decade or so, then the price will not have been worth it.

Let's remember it took Europe almost 15 years to rebound from WW2 and they were a lot farther ahead (in terms of economy, political systems, etc) than Iraq was before 2003.

I'm hopeful but I honestly have no idea which way this one will go.

   



fifeboy @ Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:01 pm

Everyone keeps asking the question about if the world is better off without Saddam. Who knows? I suspect that in 100 years, he will be little more than a footnote in history, a sad pimple on the hind end of human history. However, the war that G.W. started there may have long lasting impact on american society. In 100 years, the people of the U.S. will probably look back at it and be very very sorry. Perhaps the whole of the west will also.

   



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