When Should We Deal With Iran?
fifeboy @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:03 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I'm sorry, you're saying that there are Christians around the world who, despite the teachings of the Church, are a threat and I'm asking for a couple specific examples.
You may also wish to include to whom they pose a threat and why.
You may also wish to include to whom they pose a threat and why.
1- Rwanda- unless you can prove that it was stricty Mulsim minority people involved. They were Christians and involved.
2- http://www.godhatescanada.com/
http://www.godhatessweden.com/index.html
3- http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/
4- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=6097362
5- http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer
I understand that the Westboro Church is a radical fringe group that irritates even you and one may say they are not a "threat" as such, but a homosexual who is beaten by people who read this hate lit. might think otherwise.
The Mother Theresa thing may also appear to be minor but it still is hateful and goes against the ideas of Christian Ecumentalism.(Sp?)
The other two are about Christian Churches that use Zionism to further their own ideas about end times and are pushing for war against Iran. If that war happens, and it is started in part by people who are pushing a Christian political agenda, thats a problem.
This whole sub thread started when you stated:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
You don't know much about Imadinnerjacket, do you? He believes that a global war will force the appearance of the Shiite 'messiah', "The Hidden Imam/Mahdi", who will bring about an apocalypse..
and I responded that there are Christians who also have "global war forcing the appearance of the messiah." I don't approve of the Shiite version and I don't approve of the Christian version. You may think of me as a "Reform Christian---Catholic" as opposed to a "Fundamentalist Christian", but I am a Christian nontheless.
JustKate @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:17 pm
Anybody can make up a hate website. The majority of Christians are for peace.
grainfedprairieboy @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:29 pm
If you think that the genocide Rwanda had anything at all to do with Christianity then you need to do some serious background research. Hell, you're more responsible as a Canadian for that genocide then the Christian faith.
There have been plenty of atrocities committed both in the name of religion and in the name of obliterating religion but in the case of Rwanda it was strictly ethnic.
fifeboy @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:57 pm
JustKate JustKate:
Anybody can make up a hate website. The majority of Christians are for peace.
I agree with you completely.
fifeboy @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:59 pm
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
If you think that the genocide Rwanda had anything at all to do with Christianity then you need to do some serious background research. Hell, you're more responsible as a Canadian for that genocide then the Christian faith.
There have been plenty of atrocities committed both in the name of religion and in the name of obliterating religion but in the case of Rwanda it was strictly ethnic.
I didn't say the Christian faith was responsible, I said that people who call themselves Christians were.
There have been plenty of atrocities committed both in the name of religion and in the name of obliterating religion but in the case of Rwanda it was strictly ethnic.
djakeydd @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:18 pm
fifeboy fifeboy:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Christianity in Rwanda was irrelevant to the tragedy that took place there. Hutus and Tutsis who attended the same church previous to the atrocities were killing each other during the atrocities. It was an ethnic issue, not a religious one.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Also, I did not name you or anyone else so I'm unclear as to why you're taking offence.
And you are right. Sorry.$1:
there are Christians around the world who, despite the teachings of the Church, are a threat
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Aside from myself, who would these people be, please?
Why would you be a threat, unless wild assed sarcasm is a crime. I include here anyone who would use religion, in this case Christianity, as an excuse to harm others.Darwinism, now there's a religion for you! Not a shred of proof of transpeciation in the fossil record to be found world wide. But darwinism is a blind faith and dogmatism that transcends all others in terms of it's sheer absurdity. And funnily enough, most of the sheep are totally on board with it.
commanderkai @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:25 pm
fifeboy fifeboy:
commanderkai commanderkai:
fifeboy fifeboy:
commanderkai commanderkai:
Hitler was a Catholic? Is this before or after he oppressed the Catholic church? Both Stalin and Hitler were atheists, without any belief in God EXCEPT themselves. Hell look at the Personality Cults those two created.
Oh that I know, but using those two as Christian figureheads seems...outlandish. I do not deny they were an oppressed minority at many points in European history, but those two did not use it for religious reasons
DerbyX @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:39 pm
commanderkai commanderkai:
fifeboy fifeboy:
commanderkai commanderkai:
fifeboy fifeboy:
commanderkai commanderkai:
Hitler was a Catholic? Is this before or after he oppressed the Catholic church? Both Stalin and Hitler were atheists, without any belief in God EXCEPT themselves. Hell look at the Personality Cults those two created.
Oh that I know, but using those two as Christian figureheads seems...outlandish. I do not deny they were an oppressed minority at many points in European history, but those two did not use it for religious reasons
Stalin did what he did for political reasons and the timeless struggle of classes.
Hitler's reich was conceived in the tyrannical conditions imposed after WW1. All political and economical.
Hitlers hatred of the jews and subsequent treatment as well as the shockingly verifiable lack of concern by the allies until the true scope of the crimes were laid bare were a direct result of his christian upbrining.
Make no mistake, Hitler was a devout christian who believed he was doing his lords work.
This crap about how christians don't act like that is the worst possible example of circular logic possible.
A shitload of the people on this forum spouting near genocide responses to muslims are themselves devout christians.
fifeboy @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:53 pm
djakeydd djakeydd:
fifeboy fifeboy:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Christianity in Rwanda was irrelevant to the tragedy that took place there. Hutus and Tutsis who attended the same church previous to the atrocities were killing each other during the atrocities. It was an ethnic issue, not a religious one.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Also, I did not name you or anyone else so I'm unclear as to why you're taking offence.
And you are right. Sorry.$1:
there are Christians around the world who, despite the teachings of the Church, are a threat
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Aside from myself, who would these people be, please?
Why would you be a threat, unless wild assed sarcasm is a crime. I include here anyone who would use religion, in this case Christianity, as an excuse to harm others.Darwinism, now there's a religion for you! Not a shred of proof of transpeciation in the fossil record to be found world wide. But darwinism is a blind faith and dogmatism that transcends all others in terms of it's sheer absurdity. And funnily enough, most of the sheep are totally on board with it.
Rationalist @ Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:28 pm
Why does there always have to be the tallying up of different religious atrocities and trying to prove that one is worse than the other? Can't we just agree that religion is fundamentally irrational and clouds people's judgment, regardless of what religion it is?