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DerbyX @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:37 pm

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racist


The fact that I am not enamored of islam is not racism.

Get your epithets straight.
That is correct. You cannot be racist towards a religion because religion is not a race. So no you are not being racist. ;)


Feel free to substitute "bigotry" for racism, 2 terms I consider almost identical.

So call him a bigot and not a racist, get the terms right next time.


The point was made and its equally valid.

Define race. All of humanity is the same species so "race" can be a bit of a misnomer. The sentiment is the same.

   



Tricks @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:44 pm

DerbyX DerbyX:
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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DerbyX DerbyX:
racist


The fact that I am not enamored of islam is not racism.

Get your epithets straight.
That is correct. You cannot be racist towards a religion because religion is not a race. So no you are not being racist. ;)


Feel free to substitute "bigotry" for racism, 2 terms I consider almost identical.

So call him a bigot and not a racist, get the terms right next time.


The point was made and its equally valid.

Define race. All of humanity is the same species so "race" can be a bit of a misnomer. The sentiment is the same.
Most of humantiy defines it as different skin color or ethnicity.

   



DerbyX @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:23 pm

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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DerbyX DerbyX:
racist


The fact that I am not enamored of islam is not racism.

Get your epithets straight.
That is correct. You cannot be racist towards a religion because religion is not a race. So no you are not being racist. ;)


Feel free to substitute "bigotry" for racism, 2 terms I consider almost identical.

So call him a bigot and not a racist, get the terms right next time.


The point was made and its equally valid.

Define race. All of humanity is the same species so "race" can be a bit of a misnomer. The sentiment is the same.
Most of humantiy defines it as different skin color or ethnicity.


Difference of religion is far stronger then difference of skin colour or ethnicity.

Don't you agree?

   



Indelible @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:37 pm

oh semantics is a lovely thing!

   



Indelible @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:45 pm

did anyone click the link at the bottom of the article that says "full article"?

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This struggle will not be won by arms, but in the ideological field.

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We refuse to renounce our critical spirit out of fear of being accused of "Islamophobia", a wretched concept that confuses criticism of Islam as a religion and stigmatisation of those who believe in it.

   



Indelible @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:45 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4764730.stm

   



figfarmer @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:53 pm

don't worry about religion and other silly fads. Our minds are on loftier things.

   



USA-AOK @ Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:29 am

DerbyX DerbyX:
Difference of religion is far stronger then difference of skin colour or ethnicity.


Stronger?? It's a CHOICE. Skin colour and ethnicity are not.

   



kaetz @ Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:28 am

USA-AOK USA-AOK:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Difference of religion is far stronger then difference of skin colour or ethnicity.


Stronger?? It's a CHOICE. Skin colour and ethnicity are not.

not always... say in case of Jews religion is not a choice, if they abandon the religion or get converted they are not Jews anymore, well... for the other Jews at least.
But in those cases religion IS a CHOICE the difference of it IS stronger cause it leads to the clash of different consciously chosen paradigma

   



Tricks @ Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:37 am

kaetz kaetz:
USA-AOK USA-AOK:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Difference of religion is far stronger then difference of skin colour or ethnicity.


Stronger?? It's a CHOICE. Skin colour and ethnicity are not.

not always... say in case of Jews religion is not a choice, if they abandon the religion or get converted they are not Jews anymore, well... for the other Jews at least.
But in those cases religion IS a CHOICE the difference of it IS stronger cause it leads to the clash of different consciously chosen paradigma
Religion is a choice. Ethinicity is not. End of story. Ethinicity is a stronger.

   



kaetz @ Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:39 am

Tricks Tricks:
kaetz kaetz:
USA-AOK USA-AOK:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Difference of religion is far stronger then difference of skin colour or ethnicity.


Stronger?? It's a CHOICE. Skin colour and ethnicity are not.

not always... say in case of Jews religion is not a choice, if they abandon the religion or get converted they are not Jews anymore, well... for the other Jews at least.
But in those cases religion IS a CHOICE the difference of it IS stronger cause it leads to the clash of different consciously chosen paradigma
Religion is a choice. Ethinicity is not. End of story. Ethinicity is a stronger.

i like the way you discussing! no arguments, no trying to understand what other people say, and what you say is true whatsoever, everybody just shut up! bravo!

   



Tricks @ Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:14 pm

kaetz kaetz:
Tricks Tricks:
kaetz kaetz:
USA-AOK USA-AOK:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Difference of religion is far stronger then difference of skin colour or ethnicity.


Stronger?? It's a CHOICE. Skin colour and ethnicity are not.

not always... say in case of Jews religion is not a choice, if they abandon the religion or get converted they are not Jews anymore, well... for the other Jews at least.
But in those cases religion IS a CHOICE the difference of it IS stronger cause it leads to the clash of different consciously chosen paradigma
Religion is a choice. Ethinicity is not. End of story. Ethinicity is a stronger.

i like the way you discussing! no arguments, no trying to understand what other people say, and what you say is true whatsoever, everybody just shut up! bravo!
Are you trying to say religion is not a fucking choice? You have got to be shitting me. That is nearly indisputable. I was born a christian, I CHOSE not to be anymore. People can CHOOSE to convert from christian to muslim to buddhism and then back to christian. You can't just suddenly say, Hey guys, guess what, I'm Japanese. Or I'm Indian. Are you really that stupid?

   



kaetz @ Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:45 am

read it again, dude!

kaetz kaetz:
USA-AOK USA-AOK:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Difference of religion is far stronger then difference of skin colour or ethnicity.


Stronger?? It's a CHOICE. Skin colour and ethnicity are not.

not always... say in case of Jews religion is not a choice, if they abandon the religion or get converted they are not Jews anymore, well... for the other Jews at least.
But in those cases religion IS a CHOICE the difference of it IS stronger cause it leads to the clash of different consciously chosen paradigma

i'm not saying that religion is not a choice! i said that sometimes religion is so much connected with ethnicity, that if you change the first you at least loose the second. My point was that the difference of religion is sronger, not that you cannot choose it. BTW you were not BORN a christian, you were born a human being (i hope so!).

   



Wullu @ Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:31 pm

Here is part of what Rushdie had to say last week :

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"If I were a picture editor, I would have only published one of the cartoons: the one where Mohammed says that there are no more virgins left, as it is the only one with a punchline. That said, the minute there was violence, the cartoons were no longer the story - the violence became the story. Once there was violence, we had an obligation to demonstrate that we are not fearful. The only way to do that was to repeat the act, which meant republishing the cartoons. What under other circumstances would have been rude became required."



"What we need are Muslim leaders who will stand up and say that it is okay for Islam to be lampooned, that in a free society everyone agrees to take their lumps and that Muslims will take theirs. Instead, what we have are leaders saying that Islam should be exempted from ridicule. In a free society there can be no no-go areas; without freedom of expression there are no other freedoms.'"



"The Suffi mystical tradition in Kashmir and the Shia miniature portrait tradition in Iran are the two greatest traditions in Islamic art, both of which have represented the prophet. To say that there is a prohibition on representing the prophet is a lie - and many in the West unthinkingly accepted it as the truth."



"One of the most controversial of the Danish cartoons, the one where 'Mohammed' has a bomb in his hat is not even a representation of Mohammed. The face of that cartoon is that of the most radical Muslim cleric in Denmark - the one that toured the Middle-East displaying the cartoons. Further, in Denmark there is a saying 'may an apple fall into your hat' which means good luck; 'may a bomb fall into your hat' is fairly self-explanatory in this context, a context that would have been immediately evident to people in Denmark. If we had been able to have an honest discussion about the cartoons, facts such as these would have come out - the violence precluded that possibility."

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:06 pm

If 99.999% of muslims called for the conquest or deaths of non-muslims we'd still have apologists running out saying not to judge muslims just because of a "few" extremists.

By definition (by the way) 100% of muslims support Surah 2:190 or else they are rejected by their fellow muslims as infidels and apostates, something that carries a death sentence in most muslim countries in fact of law, and in the remaining muslim countries in fact of practice.

For instance, in Kuwait it is not illegal to renounce islam. Liberal apologists repeat this fact quite often as a sign of the 'moderate' brand of islam practiced in Kuwait.

It is also not illegal to kill someone who renounces islam. Liberal apologists conveniently manage to ignore this fact.

   



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