Brexit chaos leaves behind 'a leaderless state'
martin14 @ Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:32 am
This is what the Brits have to deal with.
EU chief Jean Claude Juncker is branded 'arrogant' as he's embroiled in wiretapping probe while overseeing Brexit negotiations
Luxembourg judge opened criminal inquiry into officials' potential tampering
Last night MPs expressed concern scandal could disrupt the Brexit negotiations
It is possible Jean-Claude Juncker himself could now be called as a witness
His officials have flatly rejected claims of a cover-up blaming it on Brexit bashing
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z51DavgYp2
'We were listening':'We were listening': RICHARD PENDLEBURY explains how these three words from Jean-Claude Juncker's past threaten to engulf him
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z51Db6Od88
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The saga of wiretapping and subterfuge that emerged yesterday involving Jean-Claude Juncker sounds more akin to a tale of Soviet Russia or a Third World dictatorship.
Yet it took place in a tiny west European constitutional grand duchy, a Ruritanain mini-state with 550,000 inhabitants, which the hard-drinking, outspoken Mr Juncker dominated for more than two decades.
For 18 years he was the country’s prime minister.
For much of that time he was also minister of finances, a post he held for 20 years.
He also occupied the position of minister of labour and employment.
For five years he was in all three jobs simultaneously – an extraordinary concentration of power.
His almost dictatorial control was made all the firmer thanks to his close relationship with the country’s tiny spy agency, the SREL.
Its 60 or so officers were supposed to answer to him. But the nature of their activities on Mr Juncker’s watch has become a scandal in itself.
Three words – ‘we were listening’ – now threaten his political future. They go to the very heart of a bizarre affair, which reaches out from his past and threatens to engulf him.
They were uttered by Mr Juncker in 2007 when he was prime minister of Luxembourg, and recorded on a device disguised as a wristwatch, worn by the then head of Luxembourg’s equivalent to MI5.
The secret conversation between the spymaster and his boss was about the wiretap recording of a source making claims about the country’s head of state, the Grand Duke.
Mr Juncker was in a position to authorise such surveillance by the SREL, but denied that he had to a subsequent government inquiry. That denial is now the subject of intense debate.
One extraordinary fact emerged in a 141-page parliamentary report into the spy agency, published in 2013: It had files on no fewer than 300,000 people – the equivalent of MI5 having 45million individual files on British citizens.
Yet it took place in a tiny west European constitutional grand duchy, a Ruritanain mini-state with 550,000 inhabitants, which the hard-drinking, outspoken Mr Juncker dominated for more than two decades.
For 18 years he was the country’s prime minister.
For much of that time he was also minister of finances, a post he held for 20 years.
He also occupied the position of minister of labour and employment.
For five years he was in all three jobs simultaneously – an extraordinary concentration of power.
His almost dictatorial control was made all the firmer thanks to his close relationship with the country’s tiny spy agency, the SREL.
Its 60 or so officers were supposed to answer to him. But the nature of their activities on Mr Juncker’s watch has become a scandal in itself.
Three words – ‘we were listening’ – now threaten his political future. They go to the very heart of a bizarre affair, which reaches out from his past and threatens to engulf him.
They were uttered by Mr Juncker in 2007 when he was prime minister of Luxembourg, and recorded on a device disguised as a wristwatch, worn by the then head of Luxembourg’s equivalent to MI5.
The secret conversation between the spymaster and his boss was about the wiretap recording of a source making claims about the country’s head of state, the Grand Duke.
Mr Juncker was in a position to authorise such surveillance by the SREL, but denied that he had to a subsequent government inquiry. That denial is now the subject of intense debate.
One extraordinary fact emerged in a 141-page parliamentary report into the spy agency, published in 2013: It had files on no fewer than 300,000 people – the equivalent of MI5 having 45million individual files on British citizens.
BRAH @ Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:22 am
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
Theresa May is to busy whining about Trump's Tweets.
Sunnyways @ Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:43 pm
Doesn’t every govt listen in on darn near everything it can now?
I’d be more alarmed by his drinking.
martin14 @ Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:41 pm
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
Doesn’t every govt listen in on darn near everything it can now?
I’d be more alarmed by his drinking.
I’d be more alarmed by his drinking.
You really dont want to know the answer to that.
Google William Binney, and watch his recent interview
with Jimmy Dore. It's not funny.
Sunnyways @ Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:07 pm
The way interconnectedness and concentration of wealth are going, I think that 'The man who sold the world' could literally come to pass.
Sunnyways @ Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:40 pm
Here’s the EU’s chief negotiator on Brexit:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... or-barnier
Here’s the UK’s:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 03151.html
martin14 @ Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:36 pm
Macron admits France ‘probably’ would have backed quitting the EU if it held a referendum and reveals he is trying to use Brexit to lure bankers away from London
Emmanuel Macron said France would 'probably' have backed voting leave EU
French President said he did not want voters in France to be given referendum
He said Paris wants to use Brexit to lure business away from the City of London
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z54qygNMKM
Politicians openly refusing to represent their people...
BeaverFever @ Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:48 pm
martin14 martin14:
Macron admits France ‘probably’ would have backed quitting the EU if it held a referendum and reveals he is trying to use Brexit to lure bankers away from London
Emmanuel Macron said France would 'probably' have backed voting leave EU
French President said he did not want voters in France to be given referendum
He said Paris wants to use Brexit to lure business away from the City of London
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z54qygNMKM
Politicians openly refusing to represent their people...
Emmanuel Macron said France would 'probably' have backed voting leave EU
French President said he did not want voters in France to be given referendum
He said Paris wants to use Brexit to lure business away from the City of London
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z54qygNMKM
Politicians openly refusing to represent their people...
Yeah well by that logic Trump should resugn because as the most unpopular and despised president in US history, if there was a Referendum on his presidency he’d lose.
PluggyRug @ Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:51 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
martin14 martin14:
Macron admits France ‘probably’ would have backed quitting the EU if it held a referendum and reveals he is trying to use Brexit to lure bankers away from London
Emmanuel Macron said France would 'probably' have backed voting leave EU
French President said he did not want voters in France to be given referendum
He said Paris wants to use Brexit to lure business away from the City of London
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z54qygNMKM
Politicians openly refusing to represent their people...
Emmanuel Macron said France would 'probably' have backed voting leave EU
French President said he did not want voters in France to be given referendum
He said Paris wants to use Brexit to lure business away from the City of London
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z54qygNMKM
Politicians openly refusing to represent their people...
Yeah well by that logic Trump should resugn because as the most unpopular and despised president in US history, if there was a Referendum on his presidency he’d lose.
Do try to keep your TDS out this thread, that was so yesterday.
BeaverFever @ Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:28 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
martin14 martin14:
Macron admits France ‘probably’ would have backed quitting the EU if it held a referendum and reveals he is trying to use Brexit to lure bankers away from London
Emmanuel Macron said France would 'probably' have backed voting leave EU
French President said he did not want voters in France to be given referendum
He said Paris wants to use Brexit to lure business away from the City of London
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z54qygNMKM
Politicians openly refusing to represent their people...
Emmanuel Macron said France would 'probably' have backed voting leave EU
French President said he did not want voters in France to be given referendum
He said Paris wants to use Brexit to lure business away from the City of London
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z54qygNMKM
Politicians openly refusing to represent their people...
Yeah well by that logic Trump should resugn because as the most unpopular and despised president in US history, if there was a Referendum on his presidency he’d lose.
Do try to keep your TDS out this thread, that was so yesterday.
It’s everyday for everyone except the small minority of people who actually support Trump.
PluggyRug @ Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:04 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
It’s everyday for everyone except the small minority of people who actually support Trump.
everyone?
BeaverFever @ Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:06 pm
Except the small minority of people who support trump.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:43 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Except the significant plurality of people who support Trump.
FTFY.
martin14 @ Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:32 am
How BBC kept Leavers off the air for a decade: Analysis finds that just 3.2% of guests talking about the EU on the Today Programme over ten-year period were pro-Brexit
Only 132 of 4,275 guests talking on Today between 2005 and 2015 were Leavers
Since the vote to leave, 6.5% of speakers were pro-Brexit, Civitas report finds
BBC described the analysis as flawed and maintained it was impartial
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z55H21zIAa
BBC
Impartial ?
stratos @ Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:25 am
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Yeah well by that logic Trump should resugn because as the most unpopular and despised president in US history, if there was a Referendum on his presidency he’d lose.
I don't know the poll numbers but Carter was far worse than Trump could ever be.