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Watch the video here;

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/new ... e10798248/

   

Especially those Mennonites.....they were never up to any good overseas

   

This may be an idiot question, but what have they been doing with the information they already require me to present prior to leaving the country?

   

I didn't think they went overseas? Aren't they the ones who get all nervous about the horizon and think they're about to sail off the edge of the flat earth?

   

   

CBSA does not just hand over information about everyone leaving the country. In fact when you leave the airport you don't even come in contact with CBSA, just when you return. Now if they want to know specifically where |"subject X" went to thy can get this information. But the only info they will have is the person's landing point. What happens to them after that who knows, we don't have a foreign intelligence agency and our international partners can't help us watch all of our guys. In fact unless we can convince, lets say France, that Subject X is somehow a problem for them then it is unlikely France will monitor Subject X. If Subject X lands in Nigeria well even if you can convince and trust the Nigerians chances are they don't care or have the resources to watch X.

Right now we are a net importer of foreign intelligence, and in a big way. The fact our friends give us as much as they do is mostly political and out of good will. Even then they only give us what they want us to have in hopes it might benefit them somehow. If there is no benefit to them we used to wait a long time for intel requests. We need a foreign intelligence service but the money and public / political will is not there.

   

ummmmmmmmm, wrong.

Last two times I flew out of Vancouver, there were a couple of CBSAs at the gate,
talking to people.


It's a bullshit response to the obvious problem.

   

Who is going to pay for all this tracking and what is the benefit? Do we really care that two Canadians were up to no good? Can we afford to track every one of the millions of people who leave our country every year? Sounds to me like a make work project for people with a police state mentality.

And do we not live in a free country? Why would it be OK for the government to snoop on my whereabouts?

Also I've traveled out of the country dozens of times. I've never seen CBSA's on the way out. Only on the way back.

Section 6 of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms allows us to enter and leave the country as we wish.

   

There may be special circumstances but I've flown internationally lots and worked for in the industry. This is not the norm and doing it in one airport gate here or there is hardly going to track everyone leaving and where they are going. More likely they had a specific reason for being there or maybe they do random checks now-a-days.

Not sure what you are saying is bullshit. My reply?

   

The point would not be tracking everyone everywhere. The thing is as it stands now (or at least a number of years ago) when we want to track Possible Bad Dude X once he hits the border CSIS can't send someone to follow and track him. While he's away and switches up passports and stuff and returns on a false one or just sneaks back in we have no idea he is back here. If by chance we know he's back after 2 years we have no idea he's been to terrorist training or what not.

The two in the news could very well have returned here and we would not have known what they were trained for and capable of. They could have well gone on killing on home soil instead of overseas.

I will admit, the cost to have a system to better track our foreign interests and targets would be crazy high. Too high apparently for the risk associated with not doing it apparently or we'd have put something in place by now.

   

Now, hypothetically speaking, how would any CSIS system have prevented Canadian involvement in Algeria?

How does any monitoring system, for that matter, prevent two non criminals from going abroad and committing criminal acts?

Without going all pre-crime, there are certain things we will never be able to prevent prior to the event.

   

Well how much can I say without breaking the law and revealing things I can't even thought I don't work in that area anymore. I think I heard these guys were already at the attention of CSIS. If they were and their activities tracked when they left he country, which they would be if we had the resources / agency, then we might have known they were training and which countries they were in and could have tipped off the locals before anything happened. If and when they returned home we would know how carefully to watch them. At the very least they'd be on a watch list for reentry. Which of course would not prevent the attack they were involved in.

Now if they were not on the radar before they left then there is a small (but more than there is now) chance our foreign intelligence would have them hit the radar while overseas.

Yes, we spend whack loads of money keeping track of threats and potential threats they most likely won't end up being a problem. Thing is we never know for sure at the onset who will be a problem or not and no one wants to say, "Ahh just ignore that" then have them pull off something stupid.

In large the system does work and the public is blissfully unaware of just how many threats there are out there.

   

I only have one question, and feel free to not answer if it would be illegal to do so.

Both of these men were in the 'system' in 2007. Before they left Canada. If they were not deemed a threat then, why would they be deemed a threat after?

This is the part I don't understand, and quite frankly, on the surface, makes this look more and more like CSIS dropping the ball and looking for a scape goat.

How can CSIS claim that if they had more international resources they could have potentially done something, when they already have internal resources, and did nothing?

I am not trying to discredit our system, I'm sure they do fine work, I am just very confused about this.

Complete side, how come I get checked every time I am in an airport? Is there something in my profile that would spook CBSA? I, literally, get asked for my passport and ticket, by security, on every flight...internal or external. I'm a shade under 6ft, keep my hair short (brush cut), and have mixed heritage. No criminal record.

   

I personally think we should borrow a couple of drones from the Big O and pay a visit to any Canadians holidaying abroad.

I'm pretty sure that our domestic tourism revenue would skyrocket after the first month or so of this policy.

But seriously. If they travel to a foreign country and work with terrorists just leave them there, pull their passports and if they attempt to return home turn them over the Syrian Secret Police for questioning.

Problem solved. Oh yeah and suspend their charter rights because they quite obviously don't want to let other people enjoy them so why should they.

   

Are you sure they weren't US Customs? They have a presence at CDN airports, despite Canada being such a sovereign country and all.

I had a friend(an Aussie with dual US citizenship) who got grabbed in YVR by US Customs agents while flying to the US because the US K-9 smelled marijuana odour in his clothing (he didn't have anything on him but was wearing the same clothes he 'partied' in the night before). They interrogated him for 3 hours before letting him go but he missed his flight. And this was before 9/11. Can't imagine how it is now.

   

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