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karra, I'm beginning to think the only way to get a response out of you is by insulting you. Now I've posted nicely twice on this thread arguing your point of view. Care to respond to either of my arguments poopie pants?

   

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Robair you smoothie you. Whatever caused you to think that was aimed atchew? Bless me.

You, as it happens are just (yes, just) one of many boeufgateaus who want to get into my

mmmm, top of the page says 'General' What's this thread all about anyways? Does anybody really know?

   

You did say to correct you if you are wrong, Karra. You are, so I will. It doesn't even matter if you think this guy was right or wrong to desert, he still escaped.

When somebody in prison goes over the wall we say they escaped. It isn't a question of guilt or innocence, it's a question of them getting away.

When somebody gets in a car crash, whether they caused it or not, and does not get hurt; we say they escaped injury. Again...no question of fault or laying blame.

When somebody avoids completing their military service by going to another country and are therefore being sought by the authorities, we say they escaped to another country.

People have indeed been press-ganged into service in North America in the last century. The Navy did it right here in Canada as late as WWII. It has been rumoured to have been a practice in Vietnam in order to get GI's to re-enlist. Those are cases of getting them drunk and getting them to sign the paperwork, something that most of us would characterise as a form of press-ganging.

Please respond to Robair's questions with an answer...it's rude to keep us all waiting.

   

He voluntered. When he voluntered he agreed to fight where and when his government decided he should. In a democracy, the military does not make policy, that means it and it's members don't have a say in when or where they go to fight.

   

He did volunteer. He also tried to play by the rules of the US military. he went to Afghanistan. He tried to be nothing more than a cook. That wasn't good enough for them. He left.

   

Have you no honor?

When a person signs a contract not only is it legally binding there's honor involved. Something that is obviously missing from your character as you race from board to board and thread to thread spewing your left wing psychobabble.

Press gang - do you even know what it means? You seem to have internet access - look it up.

btw, one doesn't try to play by the rules of the US military - one obeys the rules. Contract - geddit?

Now, say 'please' again.

   

Look karra - despite your multitude of posts, keyboard-flatulence and arrogant attitude; youre still a friggin' Newbie. Dont try to get smart with me, sweetheart - you're bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Of course, I may be wrong; after all you already Lord over this place to such a degree that you needn't even extend any respect to RH or Trevor. Maybe you are as tough as you sound.
But I wouldnt count on it....

You making a fool out of me would be David slaying Goliath - and as much as you might favour that analogy, we all know it has only happened once in history.

I generally sit back in the rafters of this barn, and just watch like the old Owl. But I keep track - and I keep score.

Now go back to the sandbox, and play with kids your own size.... we're busy over here.



Oh - and happy Anniversary! As of tomorrow, you've been here a whole MONTH.....

   

nonrev

   

   

http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

Main Entry: 1es·cape
Pronunciation: is-'kAp, es-, dial iks-'kAp
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): es·caped; es·cap·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old North French escaper, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin excappare, from Latin ex- + Late Latin cappa head covering, cloak
intransitive senses
1 a : to get away (as by flight) <escaped from prison> b : to issue from confinement <gas is escaping> c of a plant : to run wild from cultivation
2 : to avoid a threatening evil

I especially like the second one.

But to the point, I don't think we should harbor American soldiers as refugees. They are in the American military, and are not opressed, they make decisions, elect leaders and need to sleep in the bed that they make for themselves. It is a pretty nice bed if you ask me. You can't be a soldier, get the training, get the education, elect a president and then bail when you suddenly don't particularly like being shot at.

What would you think if Canadian soldiers fled/escaped if they did not agree with a conflict Canada was in? I don't think they hand out questionnaires to soldiers to decide who wants to go do what to who. Nor do they ask for volunteers to fill their ranks when conflict arises. Nor should they IMHO.

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Someone correct me if i'm wrong but it when you volunteer for the military you are never just a cook, or clerk or whatever but first and foremost a soldier. As for going to Afghanistan, he can't choose where he wants to serve. If the man was a draftee then his case would have some merit, but he isn't. He signed a contract of his own free will. If he wants to break that contract then he should have to face the consequences for his actions.

   

He already did serve though. He went to Afghanistan, he got shot at. When he signed up to join the army, he did not sign up to break international law, which is what the invasion and occupation of Iraq does.

His refugee claim is as valid as any other and should be considered on it's merits. If he is returned to the US, he will face charges. The US can execute deserters. The US has sent people to third countries to be tortured. Would he face any of those outcomes? It's possible and could be grounds for a refugee claim. He is not being allowed the freedom to practice his religion in the US. That may be grounds for a refugee claim.

We have a history of accepting American draft dodgers and deserters in Canada. I think we should continue that history.

   

I suppose you would have shipped the Nazi deserters back to fight for The Third Reich too Karra? It's the same freakin' deal, and for crissakes don't try to tell me how noble George Bush is.

   

Ahhh international law, something the world only really cares about if they think America or Israel has broken it. If Iraq, or Russia, or China, or any other country decides to break it well that all just fine and dandy cause there not American or Jews. Accept deserters? Always willing to do anything to hurt America aren't you. You don't really think they'll execute him. Worst that'll happen is he will be thrown in prison for awhile and then given a dishonourable discharge.

   

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