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AdamNF @ Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:56 pm

Everyone has the check out this site - World Stats

The site has a lot of great information. My favorite is the world military budjets - Link

Remember when we were debating dropping ‘The Bomb’ on Japan. Well the 13th rule of the Geneva Convention has something to say on that matter.

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“Attacks on civilians and undefended towns are prohibited.”

   



Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:21 pm

AdamNF AdamNF:
Everyone has the check out this site - World Stats

The site has a lot of great information. My favorite is the world military budjets - Link

Remember when we were debating dropping ‘The Bomb’ on Japan. Well the 13th rule of the Geneva Convention has something to say on that matter.

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“Attacks on civilians and undefended towns are prohibited.”


You seem more worried about the US dropping the bomb on Japan than you are about Japan surprise attacking pearl habor, torturing soldiers, or killing civilians. You also seem more worried about the US use of the bomb than you are about the German concentration camps(never hear you say anything about them), the US and British bombing of cities in Germany(which flattened the cities), and of Russians killing German civilians. In World War 2 there was alot more breaks of the Geneva convention than just dropping the bomb. All you care about is 1 thing the US did, and you ignore or dismiss any other violations commited. What is the point of this post anyways except bitching about the US dropping the bomb on Japan 50 years ago(and you are a big hypocrite because you are obviously opening a post which will lead to US bashing, which you always speak out against).

Any country that attacks a country should not be the one made out to be the victim when the other country retaliates. What you are basically saying is the US is wrong for destroying Japanese cities, after Japan started the war with US and took US islands in the pacific. Just like Germany who started the wars with France and Poland and in retaliation got there asses kicked an masses of people killed and cities destroyed(which is looked at as justified to you because Canada was involved), Japan is not above them and deserved what they got for starting wars.

   



Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:33 pm

AdamNF AdamNF:
During world war 2, the german SS and the japanise armies were ruthless and evil. the USA was fighting the war to stop evil.

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‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’


Being apart of the evil is not the way to stop it. When japan attacked Pearl Habor they were trying to disable the US navy, they were attcking a military target.

Anyways, this thread is about that site.


What does a site on information of population and military budgets have to do with the US being wrong in nuking Japan? In attacking a military target, Japan attacked the US without giving them any warning and killed alot of civilians. If being a part of the evil is not a way to stop it, then why are the Nazis not around anymore and the Japanese are no longer a warring nation?

And you know that quote doesn't mean for people so sit around and do nothing, it means evil will win if people do nothing. What you were saying is that we should not be a part of evil, meaning we should not kill or do the same as the Nazis, while the nazis exterminate the Jews and Japanese imperial government takes over islands and attacks countries. That quote actually justifies the US fighting the Japanese and the Nazis, unless you are implying that the Nazis and Japanese were the good men and that the US was the evil.

   



AdamNF @ Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:38 pm

During world war 2, the german SS and the japanise armies were ruthless and evil. the USA was fighting the war to stop evil.

$1:
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’


Being apart of the evil is not the way to stop it. When japan attacked Pearl Habor they were trying to disable the US navy, they were attcking a military target.

Anyways, this thread is about that site.

   



AdamNF @ Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:57 pm

It's a good site. Check it out people.

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What does a site on information of population and military budgets have to do with the US being wrong in nuking Japan?


There is a section on the rules of war.

   



AdamNF @ Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:15 pm

Don't sign it if you dont plan of following it.

   



polemarch1 @ Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:17 pm

Thanks for the site Adam :wink:

Well the Geneva Convention is great in theory it is just a scrape of paper. When it comes down to it, when push comes to shove, any nation in the world would toss em out. These rules may seem great but sometimes one has to break the rules in order to achieve the greater good.

   



Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:39 am

AdamNF AdamNF:
Don't sign it if you dont plan of following it.


It's hard to follow a Geneva convention when countries like Japan and Germany start attacking everyone. Is everyone supposed to sit back while Germany kills people because they signed a piece of paper?

   



Rev_Blair @ Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:47 am

Actually, with the power and wealth of the developed nations in today's world, there is no reason for them not to follow the Geneva Conventions and other international laws. They break them because it is convenient...because they feel they are above the law.

   



Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:34 am

Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
Actually, with the power and wealth of the developed nations in today's world, there is no reason for them not to follow the Geneva Conventions and other international laws. They break them because it is convenient...because they feel they are above the law.


I was talking about how AdamNF was yelling that the US didn't comply with the Geneva convention when they dropped the bomb on Japan Rev....

Of course nations should comply with the Geneva convention, but they never will as long as people have different religons and countries, so if you really believe in the Geneva convention you are a dreamer. I don't see any of you leftwing liberals yelling about Iraqis taking Japanese civilians hostage. Everything is US this and US that, and you ignore the genocides and wrong wars fought around the globe while focusing on everything the US does, and you mask all this anti-americanism by claiming the US is a modern nation, so some how it is justified when a country like China executes a thousand people a year, or when places in Africa commit genocide, or when the leader in Haiti is part of big drug rings. If you want people to believe you are really a humanitarian, maybe all you liberals and other peaceful people should focus on all the global wrongs which were done instead of yelling about the US for hours and hours, and ignoring everything else in the world....

   



Rev_Blair @ Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:53 pm

Actually that isn't true, Johnny. The US gets involved in a lot of crap, so their name comes up a lot. If you actually read the posts you'll find references to other countries and other leaders though. We also expect more of the US than we do of Iraq, since the US claims to be a democracy and respect human rights. When your leaders say one thing and do another, it's absolute hypocrisy. It also sucks that the US wants to be the pre-eminent world power, does not want to be challenged, yet lacks the maturity to accept the responsibility that comes with that.

   



Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:06 pm

Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
Actually that isn't true, Johnny. The US gets involved in a lot of crap, so their name comes up a lot. If you actually read the posts you'll find references to other countries and other leaders though. We also expect more of the US than we do of Iraq, since the US claims to be a democracy and respect human rights. When your leaders say one thing and do another, it's absolute hypocrisy. It also sucks that the US wants to be the pre-eminent world power, does not want to be challenged, yet lacks the maturity to accept the responsibility that comes with that.


What country wants to be challenged if they are on top? I never see references to Germany, or Putin and Russia, who claim to be free yet Putin was basically played everywhere and had an unfair advantage over other people running against him in the election. You could say that Russia has been doing alot of fucked up things to Chechnya, yet I never see anyone talk about that, and Russia is suppose to be free and was one of the countries speaking out agains the US invasion of Iraq, while they bomb and kill people in Chechnya. It's a completely different world after sept. 11th, and I can't expect you to understand the mindset of American people who live in fear. Of course the US has done alot of fucked up things, but I never hear you people talk about anything good. You all can go on for a whole paragraph telling every bad thing the US does, and will not say a single good thing about the US or Americans, which shows your bias. I thing being liberal is one thing, but being one-sided and believing in conspiracy theories and being on anyones side who is not the US's, is another thing. There seems to be a fine line between being liberal and being anti-american nowadays. It's like "it's the US's fault that terrorism is happening" yet no one blames terrorist for anything. I see no difference in these Islamic nuts and nazis. In the middle east the people aren't speaking out against terrorism against the west, but instead the are just sitting back and letting the terrorist feel like these people are on their side, like in Germany in world war 2. Like Europe before world war 2, the west is sitting with their thumbs on their asses while terrorist groups are growing more and more in the middle east. Sure, you can blame the United States for making a stupid mistake in going into Iraq and causing more terrorism, but at the same time you have to know that terrorism would be happening even without the Iraq invasion. These terrorist want to take down the US no matter what. Now, I know you people believe that the US does nothing for you, and that you have plenty of natural resources, but because Canada is so much a part of the US economy, if the US falls because of terrorism, you Canadians will not be living as good as you are now. To sit back and be on the side of the terrorist and hope the US fails because you can't stand previous interventions the US has made really has no benefit to Canada. My way of thinking is "hey, the US does alot of fucked up things to other countries, I sure am glad im on their side because I would rather be a friend than an enemy." There's many countries in Europe who have invested in the US and if the US falls they will be effected a great deal also. To sit back and talk about all the negatives in the US and make it out like you yourself hate the US is to really do nothing for the west who has prospered because of our friendships. I don't like republicans and I don't like democrats, but I understand that this terrorism war is a world war. Everywhere in the world terrorism is becoming a problem, and no one can be safe anymore. As much as the US does messed up things, I think that killing people at random when they are in shopping malls or going to work is the worst thing you can do. Everyone screams that terrorism and every bad thing that happens is the US's fault, but why is it the US's fault? What has the other side done for peace? What have the terrorist or people that get into conflicts with the US done to make peace and prevent war? No side is right, which is why I hate biased people who look at all the negatives of one country while yelling about how great the other country is.

   



AdamNF @ Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:27 pm

Could you try to put your posts in paragraph forum instead of one big block of worsd.

   



Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:17 pm

AdamNF AdamNF:
Could you try to put your posts in paragraph forum instead of one big block of worsd.


I wasn't typing to be graded. I was typing as I thought....

Anyways, if you are more worried about how my paragraphs look instead of what I write, maybe you should go to some forum which talks about grammar and such, although you usually have a hard time spelling so you might want to work on your spelling first. You are really the last person who should be talking considering your spelling problems.....

   



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