Is the CKA more of a Conservative or Liberal forum
PluggyRug @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:47 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I think CKA tends to be fact based.
Some see facts as too left leaning, some see facts as too right leaning. Some who don't provide facts at all are labelled 'foilers'.
Some see facts as too left leaning, some see facts as too right leaning. Some who don't provide facts at all are labelled 'foilers'.
Not many facts to go round anymore. Factories are shutting down and we are losing our manufacturing base.
Definitions of right/left are subjective. Depends on an individuals point of view.
tritium @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:49 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
I think that the "posted" comments are more right-leaning than anything - although once the discussion gets going it's pretty equal on both sides of the spectrum. While some here are Red Tories (like myself)and others are indeed socialists, most posters tend to fall into the moderate part of the spectrum - as do most Canadians, too. And some here have no idea as to what any of this means, so this will go sailing right over their heads. 
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moderate being centrist.
kenmore @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:50 pm
Absolutely more tory... ;(
Wally_Sconce @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:51 pm
I've voted ndp, liberal, or Conservative in the past. My views aren't skewed, theirs is.
Mustang1 @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:55 pm
tritium tritium:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
I think that the "posted" comments are more right-leaning than anything - although once the discussion gets going it's pretty equal on both sides of the spectrum. While some here are Red Tories (like myself)and others are indeed socialists, most posters tend to fall into the moderate part of the spectrum - as do most Canadians, too. And some here have no idea as to what any of this means, so this will go sailing right over their heads.
moderate being centrist.In the Canadian context, yep. This really isn't nor has it been a nation of popular extremist views.
Scape @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:56 pm
I voted far right. The fact is that the right is outnumbered by the left here but the active topics on the board are posted to be topical and are usually posted by the people who have a right slant so they tend to go for the colourful topics to get the ball rolling. This has the effect of making CKA, initially at least, a far right blog. Not that there is anything wrong with that and CKA has a long way to go before it becomes a Michelle Malkin blog because the body of CKA generally is well balanced but the tempo of topics and the initiative is always in the rights favor. So you will see the same topics covered here more often on a right wing blog before you see it on a left wing one. That has more to do with the fact that the right wing topics are usually more interesting then some conspiracy of the right.
tritium @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:44 pm
Scape Scape:
I voted far right. The fact is that the right is outnumbered by the left here but the active topics on the board are posted to be topical and are usually posted by the people who have a right slant so they tend to go for the colourful topics to get the ball rolling. This has the effect of making CKA, initially at least, a far right blog. Not that there is anything wrong with that and CKA has a long way to go before it becomes a Michelle Malkin blog because the body of CKA generally is well balanced but the tempo of topics and the initiative is always in the rights favor. So you will see the same topics covered here more often on a right wing blog before you see it on a left wing one. That has more to do with the fact that the right wing topics are usually more interesting then some conspiracy of the right.
I always thought there were more Conservative views or members on this board.
tritium @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:09 pm
lily lily:
Last time I saw the stats, that was what they indicated.
nice sig.
Thanos @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:18 pm
I gave it a grudging "centrist" with the acknowledgement that CKA (the Current Events boards at any rate) borders into becoming a hate-site when Streaker, kenmore, and Mr Canada get their anti-America/anti-Harper circle-jerk going.
Public_Domain @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:50 pm
Gunnair @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:27 pm
Thanos Thanos:
I gave it a grudging "centrist" with the acknowledgement that CKA (the Current Events boards at any rate) borders into becoming a hate-site when Streaker, kenmore, and Mr Canada get their anti-America/anti-Harper circle-jerk going.
Don't forget the fun-filled "be more like us or get out" anti-minority rants.
Scape @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:35 pm
Political Compass
Far Left 22 (5.6%) 35.7%
Left 42 (10.6%)
Center Left 77 (19.5%)
Center 86 (21.8%)
Center Right 81 (20.5%) 39.2%
Right 51 (51%)
Far Right 23 (5.8%)
link
Seems there are more on the right then there was before.
Wally_Sconce @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:38 pm
I just don't feel like my political alignment has changed much over the years. I think the parties have changed.
Case in point: Just because the liberals have moved toward an effort to remove firearms from the hands of law abiding people does not mean that this is a liberal policy. In fact, there is nothing liberal about taking rights away from good hard working canadians.
So am I to be considered more conservative because I'm in favor of law abiding firearms owners just like I was 30 years ago? I think not.
Thanos @ Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:32 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
I just don't feel like my political alignment has changed much over the years. I think the parties have changed.
Case in point: Just because the liberals have moved toward an effort to remove firearms from the hands of law abiding people does not mean that this is a liberal policy. In fact, there is nothing liberal about taking rights away from good hard working canadians.
So am I to be considered more conservative because I'm in favor of law abiding firearms owners just like I was 30 years ago? I think not.
Case in point: Just because the liberals have moved toward an effort to remove firearms from the hands of law abiding people does not mean that this is a liberal policy. In fact, there is nothing liberal about taking rights away from good hard working canadians.
So am I to be considered more conservative because I'm in favor of law abiding firearms owners just like I was 30 years ago? I think not.
Well, unjustifiable gun control might not be a "liberal" value but it's definitely a Liberal one. You're correct in saying that there's a difference between what the "classical liberal" definition means and what the big red "L" means. If you want classical liberal values, like individual rights or small-sized governments or freedom of property ownership, you end up leaning conservative. If you want big-state bureaucratic control regulating practically everything, and negating almost all property ownership rights, then you lean towards those who call themselves liberals (i.e. Liberals, BQ, NDP, Democrats in the US, Socialists in Europe, etc). The head-exploding dichotomy of the whole thing is actually quite mind-boggling. It's kind of like how the worst tyrannies in human history (Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea, Khmer Rouge Cambodia) kept calling themselves "People's Republics", which would presume some kind of uber-democracy, when in fact the basis on their very existence was the most complete centralization of government power and of the means of coercive control into the hands of the tiniest and most murderous of elites. Like I said, it's mind-boggling taken beyond it's most ridiculous extent.
Mustang1 @ Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:48 am
Well...it's a lot more complex than that. Ideological splintering is a constant in politics and liberalism, conservatism and socialism have all changed to meet different historical and societal issues. Liberalism, for example, has ideological tensions between univsersalists and pluralists (each with different takes on basic tenets) whereas different liberal manifestations can include classic (the "nightwatchmen" crew)neoliberalism (kind of a modern revival of economic components of classic), and modern liberalism (20th century variety that includes individuality, positive freedom, social liberalism and economic managment). The later most aptly describes the Canadian Liberal Party ideology, but paradoxically, it can also be applied to elements of both the Conservatives and NDP.
Socialism and Conservatism, by the way, also have similar manifestations and tensions within their ideological realms.