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I’ll accept your apology if it’s sincere. It's over, let’s move on – this spiralled out of control. I'll see you on other threads.

   

What about the Judean rebellion (66?)? It did partially involve the Roman provincial capital, Caesarea, but it’s not really close to what he was suggesting. It’s the only thing I can think off without a history book with me.

   

Speaking of Nero, is it historically accurate that he fiddled while Rome burned or is the fiddle attributed to him in the same mythic vein as Washington chopping down the cherry tree?

   

Anyone else think that Kim Campbell should not be counted as a Prime Minister of Canada?

   

Way to embarass yourself with plaigarizing somebody else's boorish lack of wit. What's next, Klingon translations of Monty Python insults? Good luck with life, twit.

   

Why not? Because she wasn't elected? Not a pre-requisite to holding the office.

   

Judean rebellion? Hmm I was not familiar with that material history as well as Caesarea (could you be more specific as their were many capitals named).Was the rebellion abstained by anti-semitism by Nero? I must admit I cannot find much information on Judea but it does fit into Twisters words somehow... Could this information be attributed to its less significance into Neros reign?

   

No, because she became leader of the party after it was already elected. If she had been leading the party and they were elected I wouldn't have a problem but instead she was a scab and managed to snatch the job.

   

It must be a myth because the violin/fiddle was not invented till many years after Nero. Unless they are referring to a harp-like instrument the only fiddling Nero could do was with the infastructure of Rome. Hahaha...it's funny because he burnt it down to re-build it as he saw fit...

   

I read about it in Josephus’ work. I’m going from memory here (I fully acknowledge that there may be some peripheral errors) but it involved long-standing issues between Jews and Imperial citizens/authorities (issues such as religion, taxes and political administration). It short, Nero oversaw part of the operations (he sent the future Emperor Vespasian), but he died before the uprising was successfully quashed (the Romans destroyed the temple of Jerusalem in the final siege).

   

Lily,

Is "gleekish flap-mouthed foot-licker" a quote from a Shakespearian play? No? Did you instead get it from an internet site? Yes? Now, think really hard using those blown fuses that pass for your brain. If Shakespeare DIDN'T write it and some dork on the internet did, does it reflect on the wit of Shakespeare?

The answer's not that hard, even you should be able to figure this out.

   

Nero was not the leader Claudius was our close to the leader that Vespasian and Titus became even though thier reigns were short.

Uhm yes I made a large no a huge 300 year slip... yes indeed, Rome was not sacked during the Julio-Claudian dynasty no.. of course not. Upon reading what I had typed.. Sorry Tman1 and thanks for pointing that out... I will definately retract that comment... there we go even removed from the main one....the fall of Rome happened in 476.. at the time just after nero's death there was a civil war with 4 emorers named in a year until vespasian came to power for a couple of years and then Titus.. I hope that clears stuff up... The civil wars is what I was referring to and not the destruction of rome in 476.....

Some battles did take place during Nero's reign.. the point I was trying to make was that Nero did not care about his armies. which led to resentment from his armies towards him. they were sent out to various regions and expected to perform, but he had no regard for them. In comparison between Claudius Nero and Vespasian.
But Nero's disregard for the troops, leaving rome in the hands of a "freedman" - Helius while he went off to the greek games. Nero did not care about his Military and at that time the military should have been forthright in his mind.
Nero was not a leader but a man placed in a position of power that did not and could not lead his people. He arranged for the murder of his half brother, may or may not have been directly involved with the burning of Rome. Some historian question whether Nero infact ordered the fires to be set. He was niether over ratted or underrated.. and should really just be a blip on our collective radars.. when compared to Augustus, Claudius, Vespasian, Constantine

   

Back to the suggestion of the Shoguns in Japan. Takeda Shingen. I don't think he was ever a Shogun, but he was a hell of a military/clan leader.

   

   

The Tokugawa government was a joke. Actually Im not real sure. What era was Takeda Shingen from?

   

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