News of the World journalist is found dead at home
andyt @ Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:24 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2016132/Sean-Hoare-News-World-phone-hacking-whistleblower-dead.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Looks like suicide. It just keeps going.
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The discovery of Sean Hoare's body comes on a day when:
David Cameron cut short an official trip to South Africa for emergency session of Parliament on phone hacking
Met Police chief Sir John Yates resigned over the handling of the investigation in the News of the World
Four senior police officers faced investigation by the Independent Police Complaints Commission
David Cameron cut short an official trip to South Africa for emergency session of Parliament on phone hacking
Met Police chief Sir John Yates resigned over the handling of the investigation in the News of the World
Four senior police officers faced investigation by the Independent Police Complaints Commission
BartSimpson @ Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:41 pm
The persecution will continue until Rupert Murdoch and his son are executed/murdered.
andyt @ Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:42 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The persecution will continue until Rupert Murdoch and his son are executed/murdered.
Actually the guy was a whistle blower, so maybe Murdoch had him executed/murdered.
Zipperfish @ Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:10 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The persecution will continue until Rupert Murdoch and his son are executed/murdered.
That seems to be the FOX News line.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:32 pm
Seems to be mine, too. Until it came out that it was FOX doing this, phone hacking was called 'pretexting' and was perfectly acceptable by the vast majority of the media and law enforcement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_eng ... _(security)#Pretexting
andyt @ Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:48 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Seems to be mine, too. Until it came out that it was FOX doing this, phone hacking was called 'pretexting' and was perfectly acceptable by the vast majority of the media and law enforcement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_eng ... _(security)#Pretexting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_eng ... _(security)#Pretexting
From your source:
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Social engineering is the art of manipulating people into performing actions or divulging confidential information, rather than by breaking in or using technical cracking techniques.[1] While similar to a confidence trick or simple fraud, the term typically applies to trickery or deception for the purpose of information gathering, fraud, or computer system access;
That's not the same as hacking. In the US what Murdoch's people did would be illegal, and they are starting to investigate whether phones were hacked in the US - Jude Law's for instance. That would expose them to criminal charges as well as a huge civil law suit in the US.It just keeps going and going...
Batsy @ Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:33 am
Date of the death of David Kelly in 2003: 17th July.
Date of the death of Sean Hoare in 2011: 17th or 18th July.
Hmmmmmmmmm.
CommanderSock @ Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:19 am
Suicide?
I have my doubts, he called the cops and said someone was coming after him, then he was found dead.
Hmm...this is the oldest trick in the book by murderers.
Zipperfish @ Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:31 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Seems to be mine, too. Until it came out that it was FOX doing this, phone hacking was called 'pretexting' and was perfectly acceptable by the vast majority of the media and law enforcement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_eng ... _(security)#Pretexting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_eng ... _(security)#Pretexting
So, just to be clear, you have no problem with hacking into the phone of a 13-year old murder victim, erasing messages and thereby hindering the police investigation, in order maximize profit?
Sorry, I don't care if you give it a fancy name, or try to argue its legitimacy. That stinks.
andyt @ Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:34 am
Murdoch got "foamed" while testifying before parliament.
Hackers breach Murdoch's Sun newspaper website http://ca.news.yahoo.com/hackers-breach ... 09750.html
BartSimpson @ Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:09 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
So, just to be clear, you have no problem with hacking into the phone of a 13-year old murder victim, erasing messages and thereby hindering the police investigation, in order maximize profit?
Sorry, I don't care if you give it a fancy name, or try to argue its legitimacy. That stinks.
Sorry, I don't care if you give it a fancy name, or try to argue its legitimacy. That stinks.
Get over yourself. I'm not saying I approved, I'm saying that when it was law enforcement and other-than-Murdoch-owned-media doing this then it seemed that it was openly accepted. Back in 2000 it was Pacific Bell that sought legislation from the Congress to prohibit this practice in order to protect consumer privacy and it was law enforcement that fought it the hardest because pretexting allowed them to obtain information without a warrant.
CommanderSock @ Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:18 pm
Bart Murdoch's UK papers aren't right wing. Quite on the contrary they're pretty leftist. They're sleazy, raunchy, and add little substance to public debates. They concentrate on celebrities more so than politics. They accentuate scandals and to boot they're prolific liars.
Murdoch's UK empire is nothing like his US ventures like Fox and the WSJ. The WSJ is especially a pretty respectable newspaper.
For Murdoch, the chickens have come home...
BartSimpson @ Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:53 pm
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Bart Murdoch's UK papers aren't right wing.
The slant of these papers is not in question. It's the fact that they're owned by Murdoch that's causing trouble.
The pretexting issue is old news. For instance:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology ... index.html
The reason this has come up now in connection with Murdoch is political and I say that because for ten years now almost no one has given a damn about pretexting.
So why now?
Freakinoldguy @ Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:54 pm
I can hardly wait for the Oliver Stone movie version of this grand conspiracy. 
CommanderSock @ Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:58 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Bart Murdoch's UK papers aren't right wing.
The slant of these papers is not in question. It's the fact that they're owned by Murdoch that's causing trouble.
The pretexting issue is old news. For instance:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology ... index.html
The reason this has come up now in connection with Murdoch is political and I say that because for ten years now almost no one has given a damn about pretexting.
So why now?
Because he fucked with the wrong people.
Putting it bluntly, you don't fuck with the political class in the UK. The wrong people were involved in the scandal. Lives will and have already been destroyed.
Remember this fiasco:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... garet.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... eader.html
men lost their lives because Pricess Margaret got caught photographed having sex with 2 black men from the Caribbean while on holiday (think of Paris but British royalty). Those kind of people are untouchable in the UK. For now.