Socialism superiour to US capitalism
Yeah.. the evil Americans made him kill 200 to 400 people when he was in charge of that prison.
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José Vilasuso, a lawyer and professor in Puerto Rico who had served with the group in charge of the judicial process at La Cabaña prison, told Vargas Llosa that one night in 1959 he witnessed the execution of seven political prisoners. Another witness, Javier Arzuaga, a clergyman more inclined toward the liberation theology of Leonardo Boff than the conservatism of the former Cardinal Ratzinger, told Vargas Llosa that Che Guevara never overturned a sentence. He said he personally witnessed 55 executions, including that of a young boy named Ariel Lima. Estimates of the number of executions of political prisoners during the six months that Che Guevara was in charge of La Cabaña vary. Economist Armando Lago has compiled a list of 179 executions. Pedro Corzo, who is making a documentary about Che Guevara, puts the number at 200. Vilasuso told Vargas Llosa that 400 political prisoners were executed under Guevara's command.
"that Che Guevara never overturned a sentence"
I know that OPP came out heavy against capital punishment so I can't see him supporting this. After all, I can't imagine a revolution being more concerned with fairness than, say the defence lawyers at Guantanimo Bay.
It's unbelieveable to me that people can be so amorally flexable and historically ignorant that what I'm seeing here.
Source:
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1535
OPP @ Tue May 08, 2007 7:49 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
Yeah.. the evil Americans made him kill 200 to 400 people when he was in charge of that prison.
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José Vilasuso, a lawyer and professor in Puerto Rico who had served with the group in charge of the judicial process at La Cabaña prison, told Vargas Llosa that one night in 1959 he witnessed the execution of seven political prisoners. Another witness, Javier Arzuaga, a clergyman more inclined toward the liberation theology of Leonardo Boff than the conservatism of the former Cardinal Ratzinger, told Vargas Llosa that Che Guevara never overturned a sentence. He said he personally witnessed 55 executions, including that of a young boy named Ariel Lima. Estimates of the number of executions of political prisoners during the six months that Che Guevara was in charge of La Cabaña vary. Economist Armando Lago has compiled a list of 179 executions. Pedro Corzo, who is making a documentary about Che Guevara, puts the number at 200. Vilasuso told Vargas Llosa that 400 political prisoners were executed under Guevara's command.
"that Che Guevara never overturned a sentence"
I know that OPP came out heavy against capital punishment so I can't see him supporting this. After all, I can't imagine a revolution being more concerned with fairness than, say the defence lawyers at Guantanimo Bay.
It's unbelieveable to me that people can be so amorally flexable and historically ignorant that what I'm seeing here.
Source:
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1535
Never mind... you beat me to it.
OPP @ Tue May 08, 2007 7:55 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
Yeah.. the evil Americans made him kill 200 to 400 people when he was in charge of that prison.
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José Vilasuso, a lawyer and professor in Puerto Rico who had served with the group in charge of the judicial process at La Cabaña prison, told Vargas Llosa that one night in 1959 he witnessed the execution of seven political prisoners. Another witness, Javier Arzuaga, a clergyman more inclined toward the liberation theology of Leonardo Boff than the conservatism of the former Cardinal Ratzinger, told Vargas Llosa that Che Guevara never overturned a sentence. He said he personally witnessed 55 executions, including that of a young boy named Ariel Lima. Estimates of the number of executions of political prisoners during the six months that Che Guevara was in charge of La Cabaña vary. Economist Armando Lago has compiled a list of 179 executions. Pedro Corzo, who is making a documentary about Che Guevara, puts the number at 200. Vilasuso told Vargas Llosa that 400 political prisoners were executed under Guevara's command.
"that Che Guevara never overturned a sentence"
I know that OPP came out heavy against capital punishment so I can't see him supporting this. After all, I can't imagine a revolution being more concerned with fairness than, say the defence lawyers at Guantanimo Bay.
It's unbelieveable to me that people can be so amorally flexable and historically ignorant that what I'm seeing here.
Source:
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1535Yes.. werry unbiased.
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The Killing Machine: Che Guevara, from Communist Firebrand to Capitalist Brand
Alvaro Vargas Llosa
The New Republic
Che Guevara, who did so much (or was it so little?) to destroy capitalism, is now a quintessential capitalist brand. His likeness adorns mugs, hoodies, lighters, key chains, wallets, baseball caps, toques, bandannas, tank tops, club shirts, couture bags, denim jeans, herbal tea, and of course those omnipresent T-shirts with the photograph, taken by Alberto Korda, of the socialist heartthrob in his beret during the early years of the revolution, as Che happened to walk into the photographer’s viewfinder—and into the image that, thirty-eight years after his death, is still the logo of revolutionary (or is it capitalist?) chic. Sean O’Hagan claimed in The Observer that there is even a soap powder with the slogan “Che washes whiter.”
Where is the relevance? What does this have to do with the so-called killing machine?
This is merely the beginning...
As for pollution:
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A report released in 1998 by the World Health Organization (WHO) noted that of the ten most polluted cities in the world, seven can be found in China. Sulfur dioxide and soot caused by coal combustion are two major air pollutants, resulting in the formation of acid rain, which now falls on about 30% of China's total land area. Industrial boilers and furnaces consume almost half of China's coal and are the largest single point sources of urban air pollution.
Source: http://www.who.int/heli/risks/urban/urb ... index.html
You can rant all you like about the evils of America but there are almost none of the horror stories that existed before, or still do in the rest of the world. You might argue that evil old capitalism moved that over to China but it wan't us making them pollute their own air & rivers. Right now a lot of common people are raising allarm there but the steamroller to make money is rushing them.
Hardly an example of a compassionate and caring father Mao, isn't it?
yeah, yeah. attack the source. I doubt if I can find the same details in the latest BCTF Union newsletter.
Nick-the-Canadian: Defending you're side is you're job. I'm not saying that Capitalism is innocent, I'm just saying that Che Guavara was a murdering bastard. Pancho Viilla was more of a revolutionary roal model than Che, and even he was a scumbag.
Personally, my fave was Ned Kelly!
OPP @ Tue May 08, 2007 8:03 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
As for pollution:
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A report released in 1998 by the World Health Organization (WHO) noted that of the ten most polluted cities in the world, seven can be found in China. Sulfur dioxide and soot caused by coal combustion are two major air pollutants, resulting in the formation of acid rain, which now falls on about 30% of China's total land area. Industrial boilers and furnaces consume almost half of China's coal and are the largest single point sources of urban air pollution.

Source:
http://www.who.int/heli/risks/urban/urb ... index.htmlYou can rant all you like about the evils of America but there are almost none of the horror stories that existed before, or still do in the rest of the world. You might argue that evil old capitalism moved that over to China but it wan't us making them pollute their own air & rivers. Right now a lot of common people are raising allarm there but the steamroller to make money is rushing them.
Hardly an example of a compassionate and caring father Mao, isn't it?
You think I'm a Maoist?
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Scientists condemn US as emissions of greenhouse gases hit record level.
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Published: 19 April 2006
The United States emitted more greenhouse gases in 2004 than at any time in history, confirming its status as the world's biggest polluter. Latest figures on the US contribution to global warming show that its carbon emissions have risen sharply despite international concerns over climate change.
The figures, which were quietly released on Easter Monday, reveal that net greenhouse gas emissions during 2004 increased by 1.7 per cent on the previous year, equivalent to a rise of 110 million tons of carbon dioxide.
This is the biggest annual increase since 2000 and means that in 2004 - the latest year that full data is available - the US released the equivalent of nearly 6,300 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Scientists in Britain condemned the increase, saying that it showed how the US was failing to take a lead in the international attempt to curb greenhouse gas emissions despite being the worst offender.
Professor David Read, the vice-president of the Royal Society, said that the US and Britain needed to take urgent action to reduce greenhouse gas levels in order to honour their commitments to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
"The figures published this week show not only that the US emissions are not decreasing, but that they are actually increasing on an annual basis," Professor Read said. "And while the UK appears to be doing slightly better, its carbon dioxide emissions have been rising annually for the past three years," he said. "The US and the UK are the two leading scientific nations in the world and are home to some of the best climate researchers.
"But in terms of fulfilling the commitment made by their signature to the UN convention to stabilise greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere, neither country is demonstrating leadership by reducing their emissions to the levels required," Professor Read said.
The US accounts for about a quarter of the total global emissions of man-made carbon dioxide or the other gases such as methane that can exacerbate the earth's greenhouse effect, which traps sunlight and heat.
Under the UN climate change convention, America is required to publish its net contribution to greenhouse gas emissions, which takes into account pollution sources, such as cars and industry, and "sinks", such as forests.
The figures show that the total US emissions have risen by 15.8 per cent from 1990 to 2004, mainly due to increased consumption of electricity generated by burning fossil fuel, a rise in energy demands caused by increased industrial production and a rise in petrol consumption due to increased travel. Fossil fuel combustion alone accounted for 94 per cent of the carbon dioxide emissions produced by the US during 2004, the figures show.
Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are now a third higher than they were before the Industrial Revolution began in the 18th century, and probably higher than they have been for at least 10 million years.
Scientists have suggested that if the international community is to try to stabilise carbon dioxide levels at twice pre-industrial levels then countries such as the US and Britain need to reduce emissions by about 60 per cent by the middle of this century.
Professor Read said there was mounting evidence to suggest that rising temperatures caused by greenhouse gas emissions were beginning to cause serious climate effects, such as a drop in annual rainfall in east Africa because of rising water temperatures in the Indian Ocean.
"If emissions continue to rise, we can expect even more impacts across the world," Professor Read said. "The developing world will find it difficult to adapt to climate change and the industrialised countries, which are primarily responsible for the rise in greenhouse gas levels, should realise that they would also struggle to adapt to a world in which, for instance, sea levels are several metres higher," he said.
"The science justifies action now by all countries to both adapt to climate change and to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/sci ... 358583.ece
Now, how about that.
China polluting their own cities. America polluting the world.
Nick-the-Canadian Nick-the-Canadian:
But yes, thats all the right-wing fuck-face has.
I know Che killed, but it was for justice. a death penalty for scumbags who betraid their own people
Workers of the world, unite!!
Viva El Che----hasta la victoria siempre
The cuban revelution wouldn't have happened whitout Che.
He was a true fighter, after Cuba, He didn't stop, well not until the fucking US government assasinated him just because he posed a "treath" to them?
what the fucking fuck is up with that?
He was the cold blooded killer who united the half-wits of this world to fight against themselves.
Another socialist who followed the communist ideology of "what's yours is mine, what's mine is my own." If you do not agree, bye bye forever will be the current topic.
OPP @ Tue May 08, 2007 8:09 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Nick-the-Canadian Nick-the-Canadian:
But yes, thats all the right-wing fuck-face has.
I know Che killed, but it was for justice. a death penalty for scumbags who betraid their own people
Workers of the world, unite!!
Viva El Che----hasta la victoria siempre
The cuban revelution wouldn't have happened whitout Che.
He was a true fighter, after Cuba, He didn't stop, well not until the fucking US government assasinated him just because he posed a "treath" to them?
what the fucking fuck is up with that?
He was the cold blooded killer who united the half-wits of this world to fight against themselves.
Another socialist who followed the communist ideology of "what's yours is mine, what's mine is my own." If you do not agree, bye bye forever will be the current topic.
Yes, yes.. You've expressed your opinion many a times that socialism is bad and so forth... But.. You've yet to explain how it is you came to that conclusion?
If you check the image from the World Health Organization (horrid right wing think tank.. ) you'll see that China and Asia in general are the world leaders in air pollution. Full stop.
I don't class CO2 as pollution.. I class that as air for plants, and water vapor is clouds. Which would you rather have, CO2 and clouds or coal powerplant soot?
OPP @ Tue May 08, 2007 8:14 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
If you check the image from the World Health Organization (horrid right wing think tank.. ) you'll see that China and Asia in general are the world leaders in air pollution. Full stop.
I don't class CO2 as pollution.. I class that as air for plants, and water vapor is clouds. Which would you rather have, CO2 and clouds or coal powerplant soot?
Sooo... we have ourselfs a denyer. That's convinient. Like those Neo-Nazis who deny that the holocoust ever took place to justify their ideological views.
OPP OPP:
You've yet to explain how it is you came to that conclusion?
I didn't know I needed to justify my oppinions. These are a couple of recent examples I can bring to mind.
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Aquariums of Pyongyang: Ten Years in the North Korean Gulag. By Kang Chol-hwan and Pierre Rigoulot
"Kang Chol-hwan has written a personal account of the ten years of horror and depravation he and his family endured in the labor camp of Yodok, a microcosm of the North Korean gulag."
http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/archi ... ndley.html$1:
Hungry Ghosts: Mao's Secret Famine (Paperback)
by Jasper Becker
Becker, Beijing Bureau Chief for the South China Morning Post, sees the 1958-62 famine, even more than the Cultural Revolution that followed it, as China's greatest trauma of the century. Population statistics made public since 1979 reveal that at least 30 million people starved to death in the wake of Mao's Great Leap Forward. Although Becker concedes that the American press (especially Joseph Alsop) reported the famine with accuracy, he notes that other Western "foreign experts" who admired Mao, such as Edgar Snow, Rewi Alley, and Anna Louise Strong, remained silent or played down its severity
http://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Ghosts-Mao ... 0805056688
Let's not forget a classic: The Gulag Archipelago
All of the above show a criminal lack of compassion and concern for the very people they say they support. They also show a willingness, even a requirement to restrict information and crush opposition with an iron boot.
Look accross the border at Chernobyl and tell me how well Communism works.
Delwin Delwin:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
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I stand corrected, can't draw blood from a stone, is the phrase I was looking for
Not even then. You CAN draw blood from a stone. It depends on what context you choose to use "draw blood from" in.

God I love being a smartass.


!!!!!!! Stone, Blood, Draw, Get, take, pull, withdraw, forclose, Fuckin' stone, !!!!!!!
Ahh forget it, you win

Concession accepted.
OPP @ Tue May 08, 2007 8:32 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
OPP OPP:
You've yet to explain how it is you came to that conclusion?
I didn't know I needed to justify my oppinions. These are a couple of recent examples I can bring to mind.
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Aquariums of Pyongyang: Ten Years in the North Korean Gulag. By Kang Chol-hwan and Pierre Rigoulot
"Kang Chol-hwan has written a personal account of the ten years of horror and depravation he and his family endured in the labor camp of Yodok, a microcosm of the North Korean gulag."
http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/archi ... ndley.html$1:
Hungry Ghosts: Mao's Secret Famine (Paperback)
by Jasper Becker
Becker, Beijing Bureau Chief for the South China Morning Post, sees the 1958-62 famine, even more than the Cultural Revolution that followed it, as China's greatest trauma of the century. Population statistics made public since 1979 reveal that at least 30 million people starved to death in the wake of Mao's Great Leap Forward. Although Becker concedes that the American press (especially Joseph Alsop) reported the famine with accuracy, he notes that other Western "foreign experts" who admired Mao, such as Edgar Snow, Rewi Alley, and Anna Louise Strong, remained silent or played down its severity
http://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Ghosts-Mao ... 0805056688Let's not forget a classic: The Gulag Archipelago
All of the above show a criminal lack of compassion and concern for the very people they say they support. They also show a willingness, even a requirement to restrict information and crush opposition with an iron boot.
Look accross the border at Chernobyl and tell me how well Communism works.
Riden... That was too Pluggyrugg
And.. I'm not a Maoist.