Stereotyping...
Any traffic violation that is possible........I see it on my drive to and from work. Traffic cops are ignored and or run down. Jokes about Chinese drivers are casual observations. They do improve once they get to the West, but here in their home hive they are horrible.
Benoit @ Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:45 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Any traffic violation that is possible........I see it on my drive to and from work. Traffic cops are ignored and or run down. Jokes about Chinese drivers are casual observations. They do improve once they get to the West, but here in their home hive they are horrible.
On the road crossing (illegal) immigrants the role model is still the Good Samaritan. (I want to see the values of Hillary Clinton winning over those of John McCain).
Uhhhh.......hold on I have to take an acid hit to try and understand that.
Benoit @ Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:59 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Uhhhh.......hold on I have to take an acid hit to try and understand that.
Hello!? Shepherd dogs can be good and useful to all kinds of shepherds (white, yellow, black, etc.).
romanP @ Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:31 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
$1:
If I'm driving along slightly above the speed limit, peacefully minding my own business, as is my custom, and I see a little black head whizzing past me in the slow lane, I'm instantly aware, because experience has taught me this vehicle is going to cut in front of me without signaling.
I know this for a fact. Comments made about Asian drivers(the japanese seem to be about the only exceptions) are true. Their traffic skills are shit and they should be denied the use of motorized transportation for the safety of all, including themselves.
It's unfortunate that this is true, I have a paramedic friend that can confirm it, just by the sheer number of accidents that happen where Asian drivers were involved :/
Apparently the worst driver demographic is not race-realted, but age related. The 16-24 demographic, I believe. Prob'ly because they not only drive badly, they also drive fast.
Once you have kids you have to be a litle bit more careful about comments regarding the race or gender or general mental persusion of other drivers.
kaetz @ Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:18 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Apparently the worst driver demographic is not race-realted, but age related. The 16-24 demographic, I believe. Prob'ly because they not only drive badly, they also drive fast.
Once you have kids you have to be a litle bit more careful about comments regarding the race or gender or general mental persusion of other drivers.
it may not be race related but very much culture related. I welcome you to Gunagzhou (bah! any city in this country!) to help you to pull your head out of your arse!
kaetz kaetz:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Apparently the worst driver demographic is not race-realted, but age related. The 16-24 demographic, I believe. Prob'ly because they not only drive badly, they also drive fast.
Once you have kids you have to be a litle bit more careful about comments regarding the race or gender or general mental persusion of other drivers.
it may not be race related but very much culture related. I welcome you to Gunagzhou (bah! any city in this country!) to help you to pull your head out of your arse!
I'm sorry could you repeat that. I'm having trouble understanding you because your head is so far up your ass.
lily lily:
$1:
Once you have kids you have to be a litle bit more careful about comments regarding the race or gender or general mental persusion of other drivers.
Oh yeah. I learned THAT the hard way.

Me too. And I Quote: "Daddy, was that a 'New Canadian?'"
kaetz kaetz:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Apparently the worst driver demographic is not race-realted, but age related. The 16-24 demographic, I believe. Prob'ly because they not only drive badly, they also drive fast.
Once you have kids you have to be a litle bit more careful about comments regarding the race or gender or general mental persusion of other drivers.
it may not be race related but very much culture related. I welcome you to Gunagzhou (bah! any city in this country!) to help you to pull your head out of your arse!
It's the same over here Kaetz. In Asia, the cautious and conscientous driver is the rare exception to the rule. Here in Taiwan, you have to look both ways before crossing the sidewalk and then navigate half a dozen different flows of traffic occupying two lanes(flows increase exponentially with lanes).
However, it is better than China, as you don't have to worry about sharing the road with livestock.....at least in the cities.......downtown you don't. Age only compounds the problems that exist with culture here. Shitty Asian drivers are uber shitty when they're younger and unfortunately as they get older they become more aggressive. 'I ownuh Benzuh, so I haveuh rightuh of way' regardless of the light being red. One positive thing is that they don't drive here until they are 18, an then it is usually some little shit bag 50 cc scooter.
Africa.........well that's another therapy session altogether

. Mind you, outside of northern Europe and North America, people's driving abilities seem horrific by comparison. Italians (the wops all think they are F1 qualified and drive like it, and what do you expect from people who use need their hands to talk with rather drive when in a car.) and Greeks drivers are nuts too(they're too busy eying the sheep and young school boys).
Benoit @ Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:46 am
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
kaetz kaetz:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Apparently the worst driver demographic is not race-realted, but age related. The 16-24 demographic, I believe. Prob'ly because they not only drive badly, they also drive fast.
Once you have kids you have to be a litle bit more careful about comments regarding the race or gender or general mental persusion of other drivers.
it may not be race related but very much culture related. I welcome you to Gunagzhou (bah! any city in this country!) to help you to pull your head out of your arse!
It's the same over here Kaetz. In Asia, the cautious and conscientous driver is the rare exception to the rule. Here in Taiwan, you have to look both ways before crossing the sidewalk and then navigate half a dozen different flows of traffic occupying two lanes(flows increase exponentially with lanes).
However, it is better than China, as you don't have to worry about sharing the road with livestock.....at least in the cities.......downtown you don't. Age only compounds the problems that exist with culture here. Shitty Asian drivers are uber shitty when they're younger and unfortunately as they get older they become more aggressive. 'I ownuh Benzuh, so I haveuh rightuh of way' regardless of the light being red. One positive thing is that they don't drive here until they are 18, an then it is usually some little shit bag 50 cc scooter.
Africa.........well that's another therapy session altogether

. Mind you, outside of northern Europe and North America, people's driving abilities seem horrific by comparison. Italians (the wops all think they are F1 qualified and drive like it, and what do you expect from people who use need their hands to talk with rather drive when in a car.) and Greeks drivers are nuts too(they're too busy eying the sheep and young school boys).
Objective cross-countries comparisons and analysis would be able to replace stereotyping.
My theory is that Asians, their culture and habits the result of high population densities, behave different from Northern European and North Americans.
It takes a bit of experience to get used to being jostled on a sidewalk----these people have to push and shove to get anywhere. This culture crosses over into their driving.......
In Europe this seems to go with the mediterranean influence.
I recall an occasion where my top came in an said "Boss we have a real problem."
"What I sez" "A coupla new guys nearly came to blows on the chopper inbound". "Why" sez I.
Sterotypically he pronounced...."one is a brother with race issues and the other is from the south and seems to have only just took off his sheet."
"Put them both in #3 tonight". "They will kill each other" sez he. I sez "in the morning they will share the same canteen." (we had outposts which were double foxholes 100m out from the wire with a field telephone.)
In the morning they were associating, in fact they became inseparable---Thunder and lightning.
Then a new guy came along who was a discipline problem who called me an asshole. Lightning, nose to nose, bellowed at the malcontent...
"He is a PROFFESIONAL ASSHOLE I will have you know!"
I got stereotyped.......
Benoit @ Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:08 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
My theory is that Asians, their culture and habits the result of high population densities, behave different from Northern European and North Americans.
It takes a bit of experience to get used to being jostled on a sidewalk----these people have to push and shove to get anywhere. This culture crosses over into their driving.......
Motor vehicles are barely a century old invention so it is normal that the emotions that go with them are still disturbing millennium societies.
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Apparently the worst driver demographic is not race-realted, but age related. The 16-24 demographic, I believe. Prob'ly because they not only drive badly, they also drive fast.
Once you have kids you have to be a litle bit more careful about comments regarding the race or gender or general mental persusion of other drivers.
The 16-24 demographic has more accidents annually, true. But when you crunch the numbers to that of accidents per 100,000Km driven the old people 75 and up
dominate. And old people (according to the California Highway Patrol) are more frequently the non-participatory cause of an accident than are teenagers.
That means the foul old b-tard in the 1971 Olds Electra hogging the fast lane at 60Kph in a 100Kph zone is CAUSING accidents as people try to get around him.
Thus states like Oklahoma and etc. are passing minimum speed limits that they are enforcing every bit as aggressively as speed limits themselves.
And guess who gets tagged most frequently?
It ain't the
kids.
When I was working for Intel I had to go to Penang where the defacto speed limit (due to 3cyl cars, crappy roads, and ungodly traffic jams 24/7) is about 30Kph all over the island. I wanted to get out and walk and on one occasion I did - and I made it to the office before the carpool did.
So in March 2004 one of the guys comes over to Sacramento from Penang - Benny (who was 30 at the time) - and I went to pick him up at the airport in San Francisco as I was there for a trade show anyway. We were in my old 93 Volvo and when we left the airport I jumped on it to get on the freeway and he about turned white. He explained to me that he had NEVER gone faster than maybe 40Kph in a car before and here we were doing 100Kph in afternoon traffic.
I don't know if you're familiar with the Bay Area, but when we crossed the Bay Bridge we got on I-80 eastbound and the flow of traffic runs 130-135Kph right on up to the Carquinez Bridge. Benny was completely tripping out at going that fast and I was having a ball.
Traffic slows down to about 120 after the bridge and we cruised at that all the way to Sacramento.
As luck had it, I got to take Benny to Santa Clara a week later and we took I-5 down the valley.
Just past Hood-Franklin Road I decided to let 'er out and had the old girl up to around 210Kph until we hit Stockton.
Benny never drove with me again. 