Canada Kicks Ass
The Socialist Idiology of " Absolute Tolerance or Else&

REPLY

1  2  3  4  5  Next



Scrappy @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:25 am

THE SOCIALIST IDIOLOGY OF “ABSOLUTE TOLERANCE” OR ELSE.

In several threads I have been called a Racist for my opinions on “Radical Islamic ideology” and its growing presence in the World. I’ve been insulted, suffered verbal abuse because those who believe in the socialist doctrine of “Absolute Tolerance” hurl abuse because I don’t believe in their doctrine. I believe in moderation, I don’t believe I have the right to force my beliefs down another’s throat using verbal abuse or violence. Here are several examples on how I view the Socialist Doctrine to be hypocritical and harmful to Canadian society and its values and culture: This is my perspective only, and it’s based on those I deal with in this forum whom I consider “Socialist”.

1. Homosexuality: The socialist believe that homosexuality is normal and homosexuals should have equal rights afforded them under law. I agree, however; I do not agree with their opinion that Christians and others who consider it to be a sin or abnormal to be practicing “Hate crimes”. They have every right to express their beliefs in the manner they choose as long as it’s legal. Be it a pulpit or a soap box, Christians and others have the right to “Freedom of Expression” under the Charter. The socialists use verbal abuse to force segments of society to bend to their beliefs screaming “You are intolerant”. If they can’t force others to succumbed to their ethos they resort to “Intolerance” visa vie abuse and in some cases violence. So please explain to me where is the Socialist tolerance for other people’s beliefs that don’t mirror theirs? Thus the word Hypocrite.

2. Immigrants: The socialists believe that society should accommodate Immigrants’ beliefs, laws and customs. They believe that Canada has no culture or values worthy of preserving, thus they will hurl abuse at those of us who believe that the Immigrants should integrate into our society and mesh their beliefs and customs/traditions with ours. Specifically Radical Islam has dominated our MSM in the past five years; I believe this to be a danger to our safety and our culture. Radical Islam’s followers want Shariah Law introduced into Canada, they want to subjugate women and children back to the dark ages. This is unacceptable to me as a female but the socialist ideology of “Absolute Tolerance” would subject Muslim women and children to barbaric cultural laws and traditions. Where is their tolerance for the suffering of Woman and Children of Islam? Socialists do not believe “Radical Islam” exists in Canada, even when Moderate Muslims speak out and ask for help in dealing with the Radicals. Why is their voice ignored? Related article:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/03/ ... hreat.html

Again another example of the Socialist dogma of “Absolute Tolerance” on only their beliefs. I have come to the conclusion that those who believe in Socialism’s ideology believe only those who have their beliefs and values and ethos should be allowed to be heard and those of us who are “Moderates” will suffer further abuse at their “ Inability” to allow others to practice their beliefs that don’t mirror the Socialist dogma.

I believe Socialism and Radical Islam will have a confrontation in Canada with “Moderates. There will be a line drawn in the sand and on one side of that line will people from all race creed and color and religion. Together the Moderate Muslims, moderate Christians, moderate Liberals and Conservatives, moderate environmentalist, moderate peaceniks will stand against those who have such arrogance in their assertions that they are morally allowed to use abuse and violence to further their beliefs, ethos and religion. The moderates will fight Radical Islam, Radical Socialism, eco terrorist, rage filled peaceniks, and Christian fundamentals. All these groups have one thing in common, Radical Intolerance of beliefs that do not mirror theirs and we will win against those who are so smug in their beliefs and ethos that they can’t see how ugly and intolerant they are.

So the next time a poster feels the need to call me a “Racist” or intolerant, let me thank you in advance because I like the line I’m standing behind can you say the same?

   



2Cdo @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:05 pm

Scrappy Scrappy:
THE SOCIALIST IDIOLOGY OF “ABSOLUTE TOLERANCE” OR ELSE.

In several threads I have been called a Racist for my opinions on “Radical Islamic ideology” and its growing presence in the World. I’ve been insulted, suffered verbal abuse because those who believe in the socialist doctrine of “Absolute Tolerance” hurl abuse because I don’t believe in their doctrine. I believe in moderation, I don’t believe I have the right to force my beliefs down another’s throat using verbal abuse or violence. Here are several examples on how I view the Socialist Doctrine to be hypocritical and harmful to Canadian society and its values and culture: This is my perspective only, and it’s based on those I deal with in this forum whom I consider “Socialist”.

1. Homosexuality: The socialist believe that homosexuality is normal and homosexuals should have equal rights afforded them under law. I agree, however; I do not agree with their opinion that Christians and others who consider it to be a sin or abnormal to be practicing “Hate crimes”. They have every right to express their beliefs in the manner they choose as long as it’s legal. Be it a pulpit or a soap box, Christians and others have the right to “Freedom of Expression” under the Charter. The socialists use verbal abuse to force segments of society to bend to their beliefs screaming “You are intolerant”. If they can’t force others to succumbed to their ethos they resort to “Intolerance” visa vie abuse and in some cases violence. So please explain to me where is the Socialist tolerance for other people’s beliefs that don’t mirror theirs? Thus the word Hypocrite.

2. Immigrants: The socialists believe that society should accommodate Immigrants’ beliefs, laws and customs. They believe that Canada has no culture or values worthy of preserving, thus they will hurl abuse at those of us who believe that the Immigrants should integrate into our society and mesh their beliefs and customs/traditions with ours. Specifically Radical Islam has dominated our MSM in the past five years; I believe this to be a danger to our safety and our culture. Radical Islam’s followers want Shariah Law introduced into Canada, they want to subjugate women and children back to the dark ages. This is unacceptable to me as a female but the socialist ideology of “Absolute Tolerance” would subject Muslim women and children to barbaric cultural laws and traditions. Where is their tolerance for the suffering of Woman and Children of Islam? Socialists do not believe “Radical Islam” exists in Canada, even when Moderate Muslims speak out and ask for help in dealing with the Radicals. Why is their voice ignored? Related article:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/03/ ... hreat.html

Again another example of the Socialist dogma of “Absolute Tolerance” on only their beliefs. I have come to the conclusion that those who believe in Socialism’s ideology believe only those who have their beliefs and values and ethos should be allowed to be heard and those of us who are “Moderates” will suffer further abuse at their “ Inability” to allow others to practice their beliefs that don’t mirror the Socialist dogma.

I believe Socialism and Radical Islam will have a confrontation in Canada with “Moderates. There will be a line drawn in the sand and on one side of that line will people from all race creed and color and religion. Together the Moderate Muslims, moderate Christians, moderate Liberals and Conservatives, moderate environmentalist, moderate peaceniks will stand against those who have such arrogance in their assertions that they are morally allowed to use abuse and violence to further their beliefs, ethos and religion. The moderates will fight Radical Islam, Radical Socialism, eco terrorist, rage filled peaceniks, and Christian fundamentals. All these groups have one thing in common, Radical Intolerance of beliefs that do not mirror theirs and we will win against those who are so smug in their beliefs and ethos that they can’t see how ugly and intolerant they are.

So the next time a poster feels the need to call me a “Racist” or intolerant, let me thank you in advance because I like the line I’m standing behind can you say the same?


Scrappy I've been saying that for years! PDT_Armataz_01_37 Socialists only believe in truly free speech as long as you say what they already agree with. PDT_Armataz_01_27

   



Wada @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:25 pm

Great post! I'm assuming that by Socialist your not really referring to say those who first came together to build a hospital for all.

   



CDNBear @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:31 pm

Awsome post scrapps.

I agree with you 100%.

Socialism must DIE!!!

   



Josephine @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:32 pm

Very Well said Scrappy.

Hard to preach tolerance when you don't practice it yourself!

   



Zipperfish @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:39 pm

Actually, at least regarding homosexuals, I believe the non-Christians have been quite tolerant, considering that in the Bible, God specifically instructs his followers to kill male homosexuals. I don't think too many other publications would get away with that, but the Bible kind of gets grandfathered in with a kind of "Well, you know those Old Testament guys were pretty hard core." I've never read the Qu'ran but I'm guessing that Allah's opinion of male homosexuals is probably similar to God's.

But you make some great points. I've couched in terms of "freedom to" and "freedom from." Like you, I believe that folks should have the freedom to believe what they want to believe, say what they want to say and do what they want to do if they're not hurting others (and by "hurting" I don't mean hurting their feelings). But people don't have a right to freedom from points of view that they don't agree with. So gay folks have the freedom to do as they please but they don't have freedom from others' disapproval.

Freedom to is real freedom; freedom from is tyranny.

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:18 pm

Liberals believe that we have to be tolerant of them while they're free to hate us all they want. :roll:

Liberals freely state their unlimited hatred of Christians and there are endless posts on this very site where this is stated either openly or passive aggressively. The compraisons to Nazis are inevitable and the accusations that Hitler was a Christian despite his own words to the contrary (Mein Kampf) are damnable.

Several posters have openly and eagerly proposed genocide for Christians, again, on this very site.

Liberals inexplicably turn a collective blind eye to islamic intolerance of liberal icons like the queers and atheists.

Abbas (yes, he's just one example and up yours if you don't like it :wink: ) quite freely stated that muslims particularly hate the West not because of Christianity, but because of liberalism and its attendant deviancies and perversions.

I've never for the life of me figured out how liberals think that Jews stoning people for Biblical offenses two thousand years ago is somehow much more horrific than muslims beheading people for koranic/sharia offenses in the here and now.

The muslim conquests of India, the Middle East, 2/3 of Europe, 1/3 of Africa are all insignificant when compared to the First Crusade that pushed the muslims out of Europe and out of the Holy Land. Naturally, most liberals can't be bothered to study history and known that three subsequent Crusades failed. Their assumption is that all four were fanatical genocidal acts of war and looting committed by those awful Christians whose descendants they'd just love to see marched off to death camps.

Am I liberal bashing? You bet I am.

And there will be no apology, no retreat, and no compromise.

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:21 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
I've never read the Qu'ran


Then would you kindly stop bothering those of us who have? :idea:

While you're reading the koran you could also pick up a copy of the hadeeth and the Thought of Sayd Qutb.

   



Clogeroo @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:30 pm

$1:
Liberals believe that we have to be tolerant of them while they're free to hate us all they want.

Sometimes even more than just hate.

Image

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:31 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Actually, at least regarding homosexuals, I believe the non-Christians have been quite tolerant


Homosexuality is a death penalty offense in almost every country in the muslim world. It is not a death penalty offense in Egypt but since they won't prosecute anyone who kills a known homosexual that's just a technicality.

In 2004 two American tourists were publicly beheaded in Riyadh for sodomy and other than a few conservative magazines and Amnesty International, no one in the mainstream media said 'boo' about it.

   



USCAdad @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:35 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Liberals believe that we have to be tolerant of them while they're free to hate us all they want. :roll:

Liberals freely state their unlimited hatred of Christians and there are endless posts on this very site where this is stated either openly or passive aggressively. The compraisons to Nazis are inevitable and the accusations that Hitler was a Christian despite his own words to the contrary (Mein Kampf) are damnable.

Several posters have openly and eagerly proposed genocide for Christians, again, on this very site.

Liberals inexplicably turn a collective blind eye to islamic intolerance of liberal icons like the queers and atheists.

Abbas (yes, he's just one example and up yours if you don't like it :wink: ) quite freely stated that muslims particularly hate the West not because of Christianity, but because of liberalism and its attendant deviancies and perversions.

I've never for the life of me figured out how liberals think that Jews stoning people for Biblical offenses two thousand years ago is somehow much more horrific than muslims beheading people for koranic/sharia offenses in the here and now.

The muslim conquests of India, the Middle East, 2/3 of Europe, 1/3 of Africa are all insignificant when compared to the First Crusade that pushed the muslims out of Europe and out of the Holy Land. Naturally, most liberals can't be bothered to study history and known that three subsequent Crusades failed. Their assumption is that all four were fanatical genocidal acts of war and looting committed by those awful Christians whose descendants they'd just love to see marched off to death camps.

Am I liberal bashing? You bet I am.

And there will be no apology, no retreat, and no compromise.

Care to have a go? I'm as against big religion as I am big government. I have a history of apposing fundamentalism on the part of Christian, Muslim, Liberal and Conservative. Is it OK for Christian Fundies to threaten gays, women and Jews but not Muslims? Where do you place freedom of religion (including Islam) amongst societies other freedoms?

   



Motorcycleboy @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:17 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Actually, at least regarding homosexuals, I believe the non-Christians have been quite tolerant, considering that in the Bible, God specifically instructs his followers to kill male homosexuals. I don't think too many other publications would get away with that, but the Bible kind of gets grandfathered in with a kind of "Well, you know those Old Testament guys were pretty hard core." I've never read the Qu'ran but I'm guessing that Allah's opinion of male homosexuals is probably similar to God's.

But you make some great points. I've couched in terms of "freedom to" and "freedom from." Like you, I believe that folks should have the freedom to believe what they want to believe, say what they want to say and do what they want to do if they're not hurting others (and by "hurting" I don't mean hurting their feelings). But people don't have a right to freedom from points of view that they don't agree with. So gay folks have the freedom to do as they please but they don't have freedom from others' disapproval.

Freedom to is real freedom; freedom from is tyranny.


So you know the bible do you Zip?

Well, try this one. In the "bible", there are a total of about 14 references to homosexuality. Yet Jesus makes over 2000 references in the New Testament to the blight of poverty and the responsibility of Christians to address it.

Now, it's true, hate-fuelled idiots like Fred Phelps don't help the Christian cause. But for every Fred Phelps there are dozens of NDP'rs like Bill Blaikie, Cheri Dinovo and Tommy Douglas (yes, the father of Canadian Health Care).

Christians, historically, have been instrumental in the battle against poverty and deprivation. The Salvation Army, Matthew Talbot, and St John de Paul all come to mind. None of these organizations have an agenda beyond serving the poor and disenfranchised. What have you done for the poor lately?

So why all the hostility?

   



Wada @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:50 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Liberals believe that we have to be tolerant of them while they're free to hate us all they want. :roll:

Liberals freely state their unlimited hatred of Christians and there are endless posts on this very site where this is stated either openly or passive aggressively. The compraisons to Nazis are inevitable and the accusations that Hitler was a Christian despite his own words to the contrary (Mein Kampf) are damnable.

Several posters have openly and eagerly proposed genocide for Christians, again, on this very site.

Liberals inexplicably turn a collective blind eye to islamic intolerance of liberal icons like the queers and atheists.

Abbas (yes, he's just one example and up yours if you don't like it :wink: ) quite freely stated that muslims particularly hate the West not because of Christianity, but because of liberalism and its attendant deviancies and perversions.

I've never for the life of me figured out how liberals think that Jews stoning people for Biblical offenses two thousand years ago is somehow much more horrific than muslims beheading people for koranic/sharia offenses in the here and now.

The muslim conquests of India, the Middle East, 2/3 of Europe, 1/3 of Africa are all insignificant when compared to the First Crusade that pushed the muslims out of Europe and out of the Holy Land. Naturally, most liberals can't be bothered to study history and known that three subsequent Crusades failed. Their assumption is that all four were fanatical genocidal acts of war and looting committed by those awful Christians whose descendants they'd just love to see marched off to death camps.

Am I liberal bashing? You bet I am.

And there will be no apology, no retreat, and no compromise.


T'would be wonderful if you were more Conservative with your Liberal bashing as opposed to being so Liberal with your bad mouthing. :wink:

   



LightStarr @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:59 pm

so·cial·ism
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

...just saying...

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:11 pm

USCAdad USCAdad:
Care to have a go? I'm as against big religion as I am big government.


Then don't go to a 'big' church. But also don't stand in the way of those who do.

USCAdad USCAdad:
I have a history of apposing fundamentalism on the part of Christian, Muslim, Liberal and Conservative.


What about Orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Shintoists, persistant pagans, & etc?

USCAdad USCAdad:
Is it OK for Christian Fundies to threaten gays, women and Jews but not Muslims?


[huh] Care to clarify this so I can respond to it properly?

USCAdad USCAdad:
Where do you place freedom of religion (including Islam) amongst societies other freedoms?


All freedoms and rights are co-equal and co-dependent.

Freedom of religion should extend to those religions that respect the faiths of other people.

So long as muslims respect the rights of other people to believe as they see fit then I am okay with muslims.

Same with anyone else.

If some group wishes to reject homosexuals and muslims and etc. in their dogma then they are free to do so only so long as that does not infringe on the rights of other people.

If someone wants to run off to the backwoods of Idaho and be a white separatist then have at it! It's a free country.

But if they wish to bring their beliefs into the public square then they should be prepared to have to get along and play nice with everyone else regardless of the beliefs they hold and practice in private.

Same goes for fundamentalists of all stripes.

Say what you will in your mosque or church, but play nice when you go outside.

The Gospel According to Bartholomew. :wink:

   



REPLY

1  2  3  4  5  Next