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Amen to that.

   

Yep I hear you. Have made the case to Dr. Caleb before but will abide to his answer. There is a danger that we get too comfortable if we do not allow outsiders to easily make a comment without signing in. Just need to be able to tune out the crap. It builds character. Otherwise correctness is a very nasty evil. <br /> <br />Don't forget too that forums do not hold threaded discussions. This makes following a discussion very challenging at times. Finally, if we ignore the articles then there is no point to submit them under "articles". I will certainly appreciate comments from both types of participants on the article I just submitted today: "Correctness - a threat to multiculturalism?" <br /> <br />

   

Yes Gaulois I think we should keep the anons, because sometimes the regular members can be a little to vicious. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> The articles are still an important part of the site and will remain so, I am certain of that. Still, I don't think I will be visiting the article discussions for a long time after the "Bush Wins" fiasco. That really took it out of me. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

   

[QUOTE BY= z_whalen] Yes Gaulois I think we should keep the anons, because sometimes the regular members can be a little to vicious. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> The articles are still an important part of the site and will remain so, I am certain of that. Still, I don't think I will be visiting the article discussions for a long time after the "Bush Wins" fiasco. That really took it out of me. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br />Yeah the anons aren't vicious. <br /> <br />"Luckily All the intellects on this site stick to the forum" <br /> <br />That's rich! <br />

   

A post, by z_whalen. <br /> <br />"Jesus, you people can really get on a guy's nerves. You know exactly what I meant. America operates democratically. France, under Napoleon did not. One obvious difference is that Napoleon won power in a coup d'etat, while George Bush was actually elected. Enough rhetoric. If you have an actual argument, post it. If not, quit wasting my time with you trivial bullshit." <br /> <br />Followed by... <br /> <br />"Yes Gaulois I think we should keep the anons, because sometimes the regular members can be a little to vicious." <br /> <br />You see, being a flip-flopping hypocrite gets you in trouble. I responed to everything you said in the Bush Wins article, with examples. But, no response. Instead, you chose to take the "high road" and stick to the forums. <br /> <br />Haha. <br /> <br />Whatever buddy. YOU acted like the goof, moreso that the average idiot poster. That's the reality. Face it.

   

The anonymous comments are a valuable contribution, as previously mentioned. If you can't defend your ideas against some anonymous rhetoric, you'll hardly be able to do it against a well-thought out argument. We like to see disagreement around here, though I would say the tone got out of hand on some of those (both anons and the registered members, *ahem*). Still, there's good points being made, and I hope that no one will limit themselves unnecessarily in where they voice their opinions. <br /> <br />And as always, if you feel there's anything that goes too far, let a moderator know, and we'll see if it needs deleting. I've been watching the Bush threads, and I'm sure Dr Caleb and the others have been as well.

   

oost oneric on the same topic: <br /> <br />"z_whalen, you cocky little $%*&. Who do you think you are?" <br /> <br />"Quit acting like a repressive conservative asshole." <br /> <br />"Oh but no, you know best right, z_whalen. Little high school z_whalen with his holier than thou attitude sipping his coke behind the comfort of his keyboard. You've seen this all before. You've got it all figured out. You see clearly what the rest of the world does not. I understand. The world is has lost it's mind and you're the only sane one left. You can explain it all to us. You'll show us how we're all wrong. Pffh." <br /> <br />All in one post, Oost. I didn't say anyone was wrong. I believe most of my posts were pointing out that you weren't giving other opinions a chance. Anyway, you need not worry. I won't be going back to posting in the articles for a while, so you can go back to bashing everyone who posts something that doesn't fit in with your righteous view of how the world should be run. If you want to talk about the issues, fine. If you want to exchange personal attacks with people you brand as "uninformed" or "conservative," leave me alone.

   

[QUOTE BY= jvanherk] The anonymous comments are a valuable contribution, as previously mentioned. If you can't defend your ideas against some anonymous rhetoric, you'll hardly be able to do it against a well-thought out argument. We like to see disagreement around here, though I would say the tone got out of hand on some of those (both anons and the registered members, *ahem*). Still, there's good points being made, and I hope that no one will limit themselves unnecessarily in where they voice their opinions. <br /> <br />And as always, if you feel there's anything that goes too far, let a moderator know, and we'll see if it needs deleting. I've been watching the Bush threads, and I'm sure Dr Caleb and the others have been as well.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />good point sir

   

Haha. Well in that case, I'll just point out a few more "facts". <br /> <br />I didn't post anything aggressive or angry until AFTER you made all YOUR arrogant posts. All of my comments were directed AT YOU directly responding to your "HOLIER-THAN-THOU" posts. Not anyone else, YOU. Not only that, I preceeded every one of my remarks with a direct quote from you, and then an explanation of my position. If you're going to throw around comments like "If you have an actual argument, post it. If not, quit wasting my time with you trivial bullshit," then you better be ready to recieve some heavy criticism from someone who isn't just going to let you steamroll people with your aggressive, assertive positions which contain no real substance whatsoever. If you had actually made an argument, maybe I wouldn't be so pissed off. But you didn't. You chided people. Clucked your tongue. You tried to place yourself "above" popular opinion without a real opinion of your own (other than "you're all wrong"). You needed to be put in your place. You're not above us. You're amoung us. I gave you a reality check. Don't cry because I didn't candy coat it. <br /> <br />"I believe most of my posts were pointing out that you weren't giving other opinions a chance." <br /> <br />Where did you post anything in response to my arguments against you? No where! Your posts wern't directed at ME at all. You were talking down to others. Not me. So I don't understand how you can make a claim like that at all. <br />

   

You want my opinion? The world is not black and white! I don't think I'm holier than anyone and I don't think you are all wrong and I'm right. I think everyone has a right to make their own decisions without being senselessly ridiculed. If you want to debate, then debate. Don't jump into an argument assuming your idea is right and everyone else who disagrees with you is just not as educated.

   

You are hilarious. <br /> <br />Now you take me exact stance that I've been taking against you and spout it right back at me. I just pirouetted through your psyche and now you have nothing left but to repeat MY words against YOU back at ME. This entire debacle has been about YOUR arrogance. YOUR talking down to people. YOUR redicule of others. I merely demonstrated that with DIRECT QUOTES FROM YOU. You've demonstrated nothing in return, other than backstep after backstep. I have talked down to no one but you. Don't pretend I'm attacking everyone. This is about you. Not them.

   

Ok Oost, you win. If you're not going to listen to what I have to say then there's no reason for me to even bother arguing with you. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mad.gif' alt='Angry'>

   

[QUOTE BY= z_whalen] Ok Oost, you win. If you're not going to listen to what I have to say then there's no reason for me to even bother arguing with you. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mad.gif' alt='Angry'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Agreed Whalen. Some people cannot see past the media BS and see the real reason behind things. It will die down in a few days though when people get over the loss and get on with their lives.

   

You are an absolute goof if you're accusing me of buying into the what the media says.

   

Oost, Z, tone it down. Don't make it personal or I'll start deleting commments. Then we get to play the who-complains-louder-about-censorship game. Which, incidentally, the moderators always win. So, no name calling, agree to disagree, and I won't have to thwap either of you. Everyone is happier that way.

   

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