Admiral Horatio Nelson - From Captain to Victory
Scape @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:39 am
BartSimpson @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:04 am
Speaking of Lord Nelson the shitstain leftists want his memorial torn down.
https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-n ... s-18394250
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The 10 London statues that Black Lives Matter want removed - including Nelson's Column
Sunnyways @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:35 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Speaking of Lord Nelson the shitstain leftists want his memorial torn down.
https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-n ... s-18394250
https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-n ... s-18394250
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The 10 London statues that Black Lives Matter want removed - including Nelson's Column
He wouldn’t have been a friend of your country.
llama66 @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:00 pm
Why his? He had nothing to do with Slavery. Fuck that. He was a hero of the empire, and probably the sole reason the UK doesn't speak French.
Tricks @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:08 pm
llama66 llama66:
Why his? He had nothing to do with Slavery. Fuck that. He was a hero of the empire, and probably the sole reason the UK doesn't speak French.
Not quite. He actively fought against abolition of participation in the transatlantic slave trade.
https://www.historyextra.com/period/geo ... dark-side/
llama66 @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:13 pm
He's still a hero. Fuck all this revisionism.
Tricks @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:54 pm
llama66 llama66:
He's still a hero. Fuck all this revisionism.
Someone can be a hero and a shitty person.
Scape @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:44 pm
Like Mao?
https://twitter.com/nuttallreports/stat ... 10178?s=21
llama66 @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:09 pm
Tricks Tricks:
llama66 llama66:
He's still a hero. Fuck all this revisionism.
Someone can be a hero and a shitty person.
I don't think less of him, we are viewing the thoughts and opinions of 215 years ago with a modern lens. Everyone was a shitty person then. Regardless of his opinion, the man fought some of the greatest naval battles from Cape St. Vincent to Aboukir Bay to Copenhagen to Trafalgar. I couldn't care less if the man was a product of his time. He argued against abolishing slavery, he lost. He fought the French, Spanish and Danes and won. Clearly, the man was a better Admiral than a politician. The Monument is to signify the former, not the latter.
Tricks @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:30 pm
llama66 llama66:
I don't think less of him, we are viewing the thoughts and opinions of 215 years ago with a modern lens. Everyone was a shitty person then. Regardless of his opinion, the man fought some of the greatest naval battles from Cape St. Vincent to Aboukir Bay to Copenhagen to Trafalgar. I couldn't care less if the man was a product of his time. He argued against abolishing slavery, he lost. He fought the French, Spanish and Danes and won. Clearly, the man was a better Admiral than a politician. The Monument is to signify the former, not the latter.
I can agree that viewing run of the mill racism through that lens is silly. Everyone was racist 200 years ago. But not everyone was in favour of slavery, or else he wouldn't have had to help the campaign against it. Someone positive actions do not suddenly mean their negative ones didn't happen. It's dangerous to only view figures in history through the lens of pure positivity.
Now does this mean his statue should be torn down, I don't know. He did so much outside of his support of slavery that it's hard to say. He also didn't fight against the Britain. So I don't view this the same way as the ones in the U.S.
Martin15 @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:36 pm
llama66 llama66:
Why his? He had nothing to do with Slavery. Fuck that. He was a hero of the empire, and probably the sole reason the UK doesn't speak French.
Because the rioting and statue pulling has nothing to do with slavery.
It's Revolutionary Marxism.
Thanos @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:43 pm
And holding one negative opinion doesn't wipe out a proven lifetime of fighting for freedom, especially when one dies for it like Nelson did on the deck of the HMS Victory. Nelson was a hero, and a genuine military man, not some scumbag plantation owner from the pre-bellum American South who bought a generalship for himself with the undeserved and unearned wealth created for him by his slaves. BLM can shove this pseudo-controversy they and their woke white allies pulled out of thin air up their asses.
These same sort of truth-obliterating c***s pulled Ulysses S. Grant's statue down in San Francisco the other day. Are people this irredeemably stupid in any sort of actual historical knowledge the ones that should be dictating the terms on anything at all? Fuck them, they're just as rotten morally and intellectually as the inbred white punks who venerate the Confederacy or think that the Third Reich "had a lot of good ideas". 
llama66 @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:55 pm
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I can agree that viewing run of the mill racism through that lens is silly. Everyone was racist 200 years ago. But not everyone was in favour of slavery, or else he wouldn't have had to help the campaign against it. Someone positive actions do not suddenly mean their negative ones didn't happen. It's dangerous to only view figures in history through the lens of pure positivity.
Now does this mean his statue should be torn down, I don't know. He did so much outside of his support of slavery that it's hard to say. He also didn't fight against the Britain. So I don't view this the same way as the ones in the U.S.
Now does this mean his statue should be torn down, I don't know. He did so much outside of his support of slavery that it's hard to say. He also didn't fight against the Britain. So I don't view this the same way as the ones in the U.S.
Nelson's Column does not deserve to come down simply because he had a poor taste in opinion. As stated before, the Monument is for his deeds, not his opinion.
Tricks @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:08 pm
llama66 llama66:
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I can agree that viewing run of the mill racism through that lens is silly. Everyone was racist 200 years ago. But not everyone was in favour of slavery, or else he wouldn't have had to help the campaign against it. Someone positive actions do not suddenly mean their negative ones didn't happen. It's dangerous to only view figures in history through the lens of pure positivity.
Now does this mean his statue should be torn down, I don't know. He did so much outside of his support of slavery that it's hard to say. He also didn't fight against the Britain. So I don't view this the same way as the ones in the U.S.
Now does this mean his statue should be torn down, I don't know. He did so much outside of his support of slavery that it's hard to say. He also didn't fight against the Britain. So I don't view this the same way as the ones in the U.S.
Nelson's Column does not deserve to come down simply because he had a poor taste in opinion. As stated before, the Monument is for his deeds, not his opinion.
Poor taste in opinion is underselling it just a smidge, but I can see the reasoning nonetheless.
Tricks @ Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:09 pm
Thanos Thanos:
And holding one negative opinion doesn't wipe out a proven lifetime of fighting for freedom, especially when one dies for it like Nelson did on the deck of the HMS Victory. Nelson was a hero, and a genuine military man, not some scumbag plantation owner from the pre-bellum American South who bought a generalship for himself with the undeserved and unearned wealth created for him by his slaves. BLM can shove this pseudo-controversy they and their woke white allies pulled out of thin air up their asses.
These same sort of truth-obliterating c***s pulled Ulysses S. Grant's statue down in San Francisco the other day. Are people this irredeemably stupid in any sort of actual historical knowledge the ones that should be dictating the terms on anything at all? Fuck them, they're just as rotten morally and intellectually as the inbred white punks who venerate the Confederacy or think that the Third Reich "had a lot of good ideas".
These same sort of truth-obliterating c***s pulled Ulysses S. Grant's statue down in San Francisco the other day. Are people this irredeemably stupid in any sort of actual historical knowledge the ones that should be dictating the terms on anything at all? Fuck them, they're just as rotten morally and intellectually as the inbred white punks who venerate the Confederacy or think that the Third Reich "had a lot of good ideas".
He may not have owned slaves himself, but he definitely supported it and he definitely used black people for his own ends and fucked them over. He's by no means a saint, and he may have fought for freedom of for white people, but he sure as shit didn't for black people.