Advice to Native people from Joe Whitey AKA Bodah
Bodah @ Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:35 pm
I'm actually forth generation Micmac, but don't consider myself native, simply because I don't look native nor do I speak the language. So as a pale face. I understand some of your gripes are legitimate some are not.
Land Claims
In the past century look at which party has dominated our country, it certainly isn't the conservatives. Why does our government drag our feet on land claims, partly due to our bloated bureaucracy and lets face it. People are making money and careers out of this, lawyers, bureaucrats, civil servants, chiefs, by dragging this on as long as possible. Recently though the current party in power 
has removed and revamped this process. It may take some time but I think we will see land claims speed up considerably. I truly believe that problem will soon be fixed. Its been done in the U.S. so we can do it too.
Your Peoples welfare
For the life of me I could never figure out why a segment of our population the native people , which is what roughly 3% that receives billions annually, have problems with running water, basic services on reserves. Native people are getting bigger props x100 from the feds than the french population in Canada and you still can't get your shit together. Then it occurred to me maybe you should be following the money were it goes once it leaves Ottawa into the hands of chiefs and what you get after that ?
Todays Roadblock
Lets face it you know as well as everyone else the only reason why your able to get away with the roadblock that happen today and whats currently happening in Caledonia is because of one spooked Mr McGuinty. The cops, wanted to take it down, some people may have wanted to run you over, and the military would of don it without question if ordered. You broke the law, cost the country millions, ruined peoples holidays, cost people money, may of killed elderly people who needed EMS health care.
Although McGuinty will come out and say it was a success no one was hurt, fuck him, alot of people were hurt, just not that people that count in his books. Shaun Brandt had a warrant, why didn't the cops arrest him outright, Couldn't find him all they had to do was turn on the tv to find out were he was. The wanted too but McGuinty said no lets negotiate. You can't have a country were we have different sets of laws for different people based on our skin color. Thats the definition of racism and the liberal government in Ontario is racist, without a doubt. Want to prove my point? any white person here find 20 dumb white friends and go and block a road with guns and see how long it'll last, not very long.
So here's my advice
Land Claims process has been changed, give it a little time I believe it will start working, Also instead of being eternally pissed off at the white man for your problems, take a little responsibility for your selves, you want our support. Start using your brains and not roadblocks, Maybe start off by doing a little investigative journalism/documentary. Show the conditions of your people, and follow the money from Ottawa to the Chiefs on your reserves and see how much is left over for his people, once the cheque is cashed.I having a feeling once that is done, you'll be turning on each other in no time. Then maybe your people can get the help you need once you clean up "your" system of governance and suddenly you may realize the white man isn't really your problem.
Scrappy @ Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:05 pm
I like your ideas Bodah, I really like your advice on doing a documentry on native issues. Job well done, you put alot of thought into your post.
BartSimpson @ Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:14 pm
Ditto what Scrappy said!
Scrappy @ Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:27 pm
Can I borrow your cape to cover my bosom Bart?
jimbunting @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:00 am
I also concur with the original poster' s points.
The feds are the ones who have jurisdiction in Indian situations, not the Provinces, as all the treaties are with the Crown. Having said that, I think that the Indians are adept at talking out of both sides of their mouths, with regard to just "who is in charge " on their side of the table. It is a tactic that they use, to be able to say " that guy doesn't talk for US " when they don't like how things turn out. The Government side is all ways easy to identify, while the Indians have a whole range of groups that are all vying for attention in each situation.
In this particular "day of action " the cost of Policing and the costs to the railways should be directly deducted from the " Casino revenue " that the Indians get from Casino Rama . Hit them in the pocketbook.
Jim Bunting. Toronto.
DangerMouse @ Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:14 pm
Bodah Bodah:
I'm actually forth generation Micmac, but don't consider myself native, simply because I don't look native nor do I speak the language. So as a pale face. I understand some of your gripes are legitimate some are not.
[font=Comic Sans MS] Good grief! Fourth generation micmac--jeesh--are you one of those who secretly ride the DIA budget and walk the real world as white? Did you make out that you were a hardworking whiteman making it through school on loans and bursaries? Are you the one that slams the natives as a native but look white? [/font]
Land Claims
In the past century look at which party has dominated our country, it certainly isn't the conservatives. Why does our government drag our feet on land claims, partly due to our bloated bureaucracy and lets face it. People are making money and careers out of this, lawyers, bureaucrats, civil servants, chiefs, by dragging this on as long as possible. Recently though the current party in power has removed and revamped this process. It may take some time but I think we will see land claims speed up considerably. I truly believe that problem will soon be fixed. Its been done in the U.S. so we can do it too.
[font=Comic Sans MS] The Royal Proclamation of 1763 laid the basic foundation of aboriginal rights and land claims. It took over 3 centuries to get to this point and it still isn't settled. When you look at how the provinces ignored the proclamation it becomes obvious who the real law breakers are! [/font]
Your Peoples welfare
For the life of me I could never figure out why a segment of our population the native people , which is what roughly 3% that receives billions annually, have problems with running water, basic services on reserves. Native people are getting bigger props x100 from the feds than the french population in Canada and you still can't get your shit together. Then it occurred to me maybe you should be following the money were it goes once it leaves Ottawa into the hands of chiefs and what you get after that ?
[font=Comic Sans MS] The money goes to all the lawyers and civil servants and white looking indians like you--so quit whining! [/font]
Todays Roadblock
Lets face it you know as well as everyone else the only reason why your able to get away with the roadblock that happen today and whats currently happening in Caledonia is because of one spooked Mr McGuinty. The cops, wanted to take it down, some people may have wanted to run you over, and the military would of don it without question if ordered. You broke the law, cost the country millions, ruined peoples holidays, cost people money, may of killed elderly people who needed EMS health care.
Although McGuinty will come out and say it was a success no one was hurt, fuck him, alot of people were hurt, just not that people that count in his books. Shaun Brandt had a warrant, why didn't the cops arrest him outright, Couldn't find him all they had to do was turn on the tv to find out were he was. The wanted too but McGuinty said no lets negotiate. You can't have a country were we have different sets of laws for different people based on our skin color. Thats the definition of racism and the liberal government in Ontario is racist, without a doubt. Want to prove my point? any white person here find 20 dumb white friends and go and block a road with guns and see how long it'll last, not very long.
[font=Comic Sans MS] When's the last time you heard a politician say "One law for all?" Probably not since the days of the reform party. Why? Because a politician who says this will be committing political suicide knowing that aboriginal right evolved well before the provinces. The magna carta evolved well before that in the 1200s. Because of the nature of how laws evolved, it will always be an "uneven playing field." The reason why aboriginal law is seen as different or special is beacause it was in place before Canada was a country and the province existed? So once again--who is breaking the law? Examine this carefully and you will really see who has wasted billions and billions of dollars. [/font]
So here's my advice
Land Claims process has been changed, give it a little time I believe it will start working, Also instead of being eternally pissed off at the white man for your problems, take a little responsibility for your selves, you want our support. Start using your brains and not roadblocks, Maybe start off by doing a little investigative journalism/documentary. Show the conditions of your people, and follow the money from Ottawa to the Chiefs on your reserves and see how much is left over for his people, once the cheque is cashed.I having a feeling once that is done, you'll be turning on each other in no time. Then maybe your people can get the help you need once you clean up "your" system of governance and suddenly you may realize the white man isn't really your problem.
[font=Comic Sans MS] Good grief! Fourth generation micmac--jeesh--are you one of those who secretly ride the DIA budget and walk the real world as white? Did you make out that you were a hardworking whiteman making it through school on loans and bursaries? Are you the one that slams the natives as a native but look white? [/font]
Land Claims
In the past century look at which party has dominated our country, it certainly isn't the conservatives. Why does our government drag our feet on land claims, partly due to our bloated bureaucracy and lets face it. People are making money and careers out of this, lawyers, bureaucrats, civil servants, chiefs, by dragging this on as long as possible. Recently though the current party in power
has removed and revamped this process. It may take some time but I think we will see land claims speed up considerably. I truly believe that problem will soon be fixed. Its been done in the U.S. so we can do it too.[font=Comic Sans MS] The Royal Proclamation of 1763 laid the basic foundation of aboriginal rights and land claims. It took over 3 centuries to get to this point and it still isn't settled. When you look at how the provinces ignored the proclamation it becomes obvious who the real law breakers are! [/font]
Your Peoples welfare
For the life of me I could never figure out why a segment of our population the native people , which is what roughly 3% that receives billions annually, have problems with running water, basic services on reserves. Native people are getting bigger props x100 from the feds than the french population in Canada and you still can't get your shit together. Then it occurred to me maybe you should be following the money were it goes once it leaves Ottawa into the hands of chiefs and what you get after that ?
[font=Comic Sans MS] The money goes to all the lawyers and civil servants and white looking indians like you--so quit whining! [/font]
Todays Roadblock
Lets face it you know as well as everyone else the only reason why your able to get away with the roadblock that happen today and whats currently happening in Caledonia is because of one spooked Mr McGuinty. The cops, wanted to take it down, some people may have wanted to run you over, and the military would of don it without question if ordered. You broke the law, cost the country millions, ruined peoples holidays, cost people money, may of killed elderly people who needed EMS health care.
Although McGuinty will come out and say it was a success no one was hurt, fuck him, alot of people were hurt, just not that people that count in his books. Shaun Brandt had a warrant, why didn't the cops arrest him outright, Couldn't find him all they had to do was turn on the tv to find out were he was. The wanted too but McGuinty said no lets negotiate. You can't have a country were we have different sets of laws for different people based on our skin color. Thats the definition of racism and the liberal government in Ontario is racist, without a doubt. Want to prove my point? any white person here find 20 dumb white friends and go and block a road with guns and see how long it'll last, not very long.
[font=Comic Sans MS] When's the last time you heard a politician say "One law for all?" Probably not since the days of the reform party. Why? Because a politician who says this will be committing political suicide knowing that aboriginal right evolved well before the provinces. The magna carta evolved well before that in the 1200s. Because of the nature of how laws evolved, it will always be an "uneven playing field." The reason why aboriginal law is seen as different or special is beacause it was in place before Canada was a country and the province existed? So once again--who is breaking the law? Examine this carefully and you will really see who has wasted billions and billions of dollars. [/font]
So here's my advice
Land Claims process has been changed, give it a little time I believe it will start working, Also instead of being eternally pissed off at the white man for your problems, take a little responsibility for your selves, you want our support. Start using your brains and not roadblocks, Maybe start off by doing a little investigative journalism/documentary. Show the conditions of your people, and follow the money from Ottawa to the Chiefs on your reserves and see how much is left over for his people, once the cheque is cashed.I having a feeling once that is done, you'll be turning on each other in no time. Then maybe your people can get the help you need once you clean up "your" system of governance and suddenly you may realize the white man isn't really your problem.
[font=Comic Sans MS] If the whiteman insnt the problem that why do you waste so much energy on it?
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sasquatch2 @ Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:24 pm
When twodough patriated the constitution and created the charter of no rights or freedoms we lost British Common law----hence the magna Carta as well.
Why do indians rate rights from pre-PET-Constitution?
The rest of us lack the right to OWN property----why should FN?
PJB @ Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:18 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
When twodough patriated the constitution and created the charter of no rights or freedoms we lost British Common law----hence the magna Carta as well.
Why do indians rate rights from pre-PET-Constitution?
The rest of us lack the right to OWN property----why should FN?
Why do indians rate rights from pre-PET-Constitution?
The rest of us lack the right to OWN property----why should FN?
They claim they never gave up ownership. I cannot own the lands where my house sits but a band that has 300 members can claim it as well as a good chunk of the province. Go figure..From what I understood in my, antiquated, schooling, the natives never claimed to 'own' the lands rather they were keepers of it for Mother Earth. I guess ownership is implied.
ridenrain @ Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:55 pm
I don't like to post here because I am not a native, but that ownership of land is the one major stumbling block for natives. It's the difference between a rental community and a community of owner/residents.
Don't some bands deal with this better than others? Couldn't they give a billion year lease to families instead?
Good post Bodah. I agree that this is a big scam with far too little money getting to the people who need it.
PJB @ Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:03 pm
Yo ridenrain...You do not own the land that you live on. There are no legal property rights for you or I. The government can expropriate your land any time it wants and you have no say in it. Natives on the other hand are claiming and winning lands all over Canada. They say they were there and we end up either paying them or forfitting the lands over questionable 'oral' history.
First Nations have it better than you and I as they have communal Ownership. We have nothing. The individual band member is screwed however as they do not have title to the home. In other words they have no collateral or leverage with banks as the band owns their very home.
Natives should demand that they have the right to own their home but from what I have heard and read many bands are very reluctant to give up council control over who gets the homes.
ridenrain @ Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:16 pm
Yes. I'm familiar with our disturbing lack of property rights. (thanks PET 
)
Ownership of something makes one care and I thought some bands did a better job than others.
Donny_Brasco @ Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:35 pm
Mr. Whiteman. Thanks for the advice. Please don't mind if I ignore it. Your kind has been giving us advice for 200 years now.
Let us make our own decisions so we can be responsible for our own actions.
Your 'advice' has got us far enough.
ridenrain @ Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:41 pm
Since you've set youreself up as the man why knows, how much money trickles down to the people who need it?
Whu has the billions and bilions never made it to the people who obviously needed it?
What's you're solution, Donny?
PJB @ Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:53 pm
Donny...You want to make your own decisions...Fine...Print your own money..And use it to fund all your wonderful decisions...BTW...DO NOT throw the I get money off of all the resources at me because I do not! My taxes pay for government programs and infrastructure...
You want and want and want and it never ends.
I respect you as a person but I do not buy into the guilt and whinning anymore!
Your own people allowed their children to kill one of their own yet fail to admit that they are a major source of the problem. Blame me, yell at me, do whatever you want and I still don't buy into it.
Let those who raise take responsibility!
kevlarman @ Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:56 pm
As long as their is no accountability for the money given to the chiefs and the powerful tribal councils there should be a stop to money's given to those tribes. They would do it to a municipality, a county, a city or a province. What makes natives above reproach and the law in this instance?