Ya gotta be f*cking kidding.
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grainfedprairieboy @ Wed May 30, 2007 8:12 pm
You'll never be PM if you are taking things away as Canadians are generally unaware that government money and taxes are actually the same thing. Also in Canada there is value to each ballot and you've got to spend spend spend and buy the vote with hard cash, patronage appointments or a passport.
hurley_108 @ Wed May 30, 2007 9:33 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
This is stupid, but interesting.
Stupid for the obvious reasons, but interesting in that it does take a look at broadcast signals in a new way.
I've thought for a long time that it's incredibly galling of satellite TV companies to blanket my roof and yard with their transmission but say "nope, you can't watch unless you give us money." I can't refuse their signal, why can they refuse me use of it?
Stupid for the obvious reasons, but interesting in that it does take a look at broadcast signals in a new way.
I've thought for a long time that it's incredibly galling of satellite TV companies to blanket my roof and yard with their transmission but say "nope, you can't watch unless you give us money." I can't refuse their signal, why can they refuse me use of it?
It's not really that new. The British government for many years made us buy a radio and then television license.
This charge was for use of the "ether" a medium on which radio waves were thought to travel. As the "ether" covered all of the British Isles the government charged for it's use.
We could erect a Faraday cage over native lands to block the RF (radio frequency) spectrum, but then they wouldn't be able to watch the Simpsons.
You've got to be shitting me. Is that really the source of it? Charging for the use of the (long proven nonxistent) ether?
Tricks @ Wed May 30, 2007 9:35 pm
Anyone else see this as anything more then just wanting free cable? What are they going to charge the White house because the flag on the moon flies over their territory every once in a while?
Yogi @ Wed May 30, 2007 9:43 pm
[quote="PJB"]right thing to do," he said.
Mercredi says that signals over a significant area of the province would be affected, noting that the Cree Nations claim rights to a large portion of the north.
Anna Hunter, a University of Saskatchewan professor of political studies specializing in aboriginal governance, says the AMC's request is unique but she says other First Nations groups across the country will likely follow suit.
And they can all 'follow suit' and jump off a fuckin cliff! 
HyperionTheEvil @ Wed May 30, 2007 10:32 pm
Yah i posted this the other day, just another example of the 'give me' indian 'culture'
grainfedprairieboy @ Wed May 30, 2007 10:47 pm
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Yah i posted this the other day, just another example of the 'give me' indian 'culture'
A culture created and fostered by white men.
Kenazo @ Wed May 30, 2007 11:14 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Like I said in my brief campaign to be PM - the Native land claims should have a deadline set past which no more claims or other nonsense (like this) will be entertained or tolerated.
Meaning that there can be no new claims, or that there will no longer be any benefits dolled out as a result of past treaties?
ziggy @ Wed May 30, 2007 11:40 pm
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Like unions, feminism and liberals; reservations have outlived any useful purpose they may have had and certainly do not uphold their original intent. When any group is left to drift looking for a purpose or seeking a grievance to justify their existence we shouldn't be surprised when they find yet another one.
The reservations are us Khablhooniks fault,a real bad idea then and now.They never did have a usefull purpose except to keep the natives where we could control them.I dont agree with most natives where compensation is concerned but I'll be one of the whiteys to admit they did get fucked around big time when we whiteys moved in.
Living and working with the innuit has changed my way of thinking about natives here in Canada,they really dont/didnt need us to survive,the reservations in southern canada proved how bad of an idea putting natives on them proved to be.
We could/should be learning from these people,not trying to assimilate them into our culture and beliefs and forcing our religious beliefs on them.
Nunavut has the worlds highest rate for youth suicide,yet they treat their kids better then most of us whiteys do,a kid will never have to worry about a parent there,they adopt out to friends,family or anyone else in town or their village if there's a problem or the parent isnt in a position to take good care of the kid.Yet us whites with our missionaries had to go there and change them and change them we did.Everywhere up north you can see examples of this from the run down old churches to every single Innuit Christian name taken out of the bible.
Yet the only time we get upset is when you see kids sniffing gas and whole communities uplifted and restarted in a new place(like thats going to solve problems)on the 6:00 pm news. Then it go's to the backburner for a few years.
That said.....the only "usefull" purpose for reservations then and now was to put all the natives in one place where they could be controlled by us whiteys who considered them as some sort of second class citizen if even that.
Before end of rant:As a scanner buff I can pretty well assure you the laws state that radio waves are public property. You can ask a few American politicians how hard it is to get THAT law changed,especially after a few were "accidently" recorded via scanner when a nasty bump in the trunk of a car "accidently" had a scanner bump a battery or power source,short out the blocked out freaks and started the mini tape recorder that taped them.
More like the two 70 year olds were parked outside the whitehouse with a scanner recording phone calls from cels and wireless phones and got caught.
So any radio wave or transmission you can intercept is yours for free,you just cant repeat it or use the info for personal gain.Then it becomes illegal.
Some radio shack/source scanners sold 2 years ago will pick up cel calls,watch what you say on your cel phone.
end of late night rant.
ziggy @ Wed May 30, 2007 11:43 pm
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Yah i posted this the other day, just another example of the 'give me' indian 'culture'
A culture created and fostered by white men.
Not created but changed.
Religion has a lot to do with it.
Yogi @ Thu May 31, 2007 12:14 am
[quote="ziggy"][.
Some radio shack/source scanners sold 2 years ago will pick up cel calls,watch what you say on your cel phone
Tis true! I have one of these scanners -$250.00-and the stuff I have heardpeople discussing. (women can be such pigs!) While listening on one of the cop's frequencies I heard MY SON getting busted for possesion! (minor)
ziggy @ Thu May 31, 2007 12:21 am
Yogi Yogi:
ziggy ziggy:
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Some radio shack/source scanners sold 2 years ago will pick up cel calls,watch what you say on your cel phone
Tis true! I have one of these scanners -$250.00-and the stuff I have heardpeople discussing. (women can be such pigs!) While listening on one of the cop's frequencies I heard MY SON getting busted for possesion! (minor)
Some radio shack/source scanners sold 2 years ago will pick up cel calls,watch what you say on your cel phone
Tis true! I have one of these scanners -$250.00-and the stuff I have heardpeople discussing. (women can be such pigs!) While listening on one of the cop's frequencies I heard MY SON getting busted for possesion! (minor)My mom just dropped hers off for me to reprogram.
Like I have time.
My 2040 base scanner also picks up stuff it shouldnt.
Biblical_Christian @ Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:01 am
PJB PJB:
This is friggin' ridiculous!
Manitoba chiefs want cellphone revenue
Last Updated: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 | 9:41 AM CT
CBC News
Manitoba First Nations are seeking compensation from Manitoba Telecom Services for every cellphone signal that passes through First Nations land, saying the airspace should be considered a resource like land and water.
'When it comes to using airspace, it's like using our water and simply because there's no precedent doesn't mean that it's not the right thing to do.'
—Ovide Mercredi, Grand Rapids First NationAt a recent economic development summit, the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs resolved to negotiate revenue sharing with MTS for transmissions signals that cross the land, water and air space of their reserves and traditional territories.
"[The request is] based on the understanding that we do have some fundamental rights as indigenous people to land, water and airspace," said Chief Ovide Mercredi of the Grand Rapids First Nation.
"When it comes to using airspace, it's like using our water and simply because there's no precedent doesn't mean that it's not the right thing to do," he said.
Mercredi says that signals over a significant area of the province would be affected, noting that the Cree Nations claim rights to a large portion of the north.
Proposal may inspire more negotiations
Anna Hunter, a University of Saskatchewan professor of political studies specializing in aboriginal governance, says the AMC's request is unique but she says other First Nations groups across the country will likely follow suit.
"On a provincewide basis, this is definitely an innovative approach but I think it's an approach that other provinces' First Nations groups will probably take forward," she said.
MTS officials have declined to comment on the issue until they see the group's proposal.
Makes YOU wanna say, " We shoulda stayed in Europe!"
Manitoba chiefs want cellphone revenue
Last Updated: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 | 9:41 AM CT
CBC News
Manitoba First Nations are seeking compensation from Manitoba Telecom Services for every cellphone signal that passes through First Nations land, saying the airspace should be considered a resource like land and water.
'When it comes to using airspace, it's like using our water and simply because there's no precedent doesn't mean that it's not the right thing to do.'
—Ovide Mercredi, Grand Rapids First NationAt a recent economic development summit, the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs resolved to negotiate revenue sharing with MTS for transmissions signals that cross the land, water and air space of their reserves and traditional territories.
"[The request is] based on the understanding that we do have some fundamental rights as indigenous people to land, water and airspace," said Chief Ovide Mercredi of the Grand Rapids First Nation.
"When it comes to using airspace, it's like using our water and simply because there's no precedent doesn't mean that it's not the right thing to do," he said.
Mercredi says that signals over a significant area of the province would be affected, noting that the Cree Nations claim rights to a large portion of the north.
Proposal may inspire more negotiations
Anna Hunter, a University of Saskatchewan professor of political studies specializing in aboriginal governance, says the AMC's request is unique but she says other First Nations groups across the country will likely follow suit.
"On a provincewide basis, this is definitely an innovative approach but I think it's an approach that other provinces' First Nations groups will probably take forward," she said.
MTS officials have declined to comment on the issue until they see the group's proposal.
newfette @ Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:07 am
I'm gonna get my ass kicked for this but I knew there was a reason we shot all our natives 
CDNBear @ Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:10 am
PJB PJB:
This is friggin' ridiculous!
Manitoba chiefs want cellphone revenue
Last Updated: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 | 9:41 AM CT
CBC News
Manitoba First Nations are seeking compensation from Manitoba Telecom Services for every cellphone signal that passes through First Nations land, saying the airspace should be considered a resource like land and water.
'When it comes to using airspace, it's like using our water and simply because there's no precedent doesn't mean that it's not the right thing to do.'
—Ovide Mercredi, Grand Rapids First NationAt a recent economic development summit, the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs resolved to negotiate revenue sharing with MTS for transmissions signals that cross the land, water and air space of their reserves and traditional territories.
"[The request is] based on the understanding that we do have some fundamental rights as indigenous people to land, water and airspace," said Chief Ovide Mercredi of the Grand Rapids First Nation.
"When it comes to using airspace, it's like using our water and simply because there's no precedent doesn't mean that it's not the right thing to do," he said.
Mercredi says that signals over a significant area of the province would be affected, noting that the Cree Nations claim rights to a large portion of the north.
Proposal may inspire more negotiations
Anna Hunter, a University of Saskatchewan professor of political studies specializing in aboriginal governance, says the AMC's request is unique but she says other First Nations groups across the country will likely follow suit.
"On a provincewide basis, this is definitely an innovative approach but I think it's an approach that other provinces' First Nations groups will probably take forward," she said.
MTS officials have declined to comment on the issue until they see the group's proposal.
Manitoba chiefs want cellphone revenue
Last Updated: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 | 9:41 AM CT
CBC News
Manitoba First Nations are seeking compensation from Manitoba Telecom Services for every cellphone signal that passes through First Nations land, saying the airspace should be considered a resource like land and water.
'When it comes to using airspace, it's like using our water and simply because there's no precedent doesn't mean that it's not the right thing to do.'
—Ovide Mercredi, Grand Rapids First NationAt a recent economic development summit, the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs resolved to negotiate revenue sharing with MTS for transmissions signals that cross the land, water and air space of their reserves and traditional territories.
"[The request is] based on the understanding that we do have some fundamental rights as indigenous people to land, water and airspace," said Chief Ovide Mercredi of the Grand Rapids First Nation.
"When it comes to using airspace, it's like using our water and simply because there's no precedent doesn't mean that it's not the right thing to do," he said.
Mercredi says that signals over a significant area of the province would be affected, noting that the Cree Nations claim rights to a large portion of the north.
Proposal may inspire more negotiations
Anna Hunter, a University of Saskatchewan professor of political studies specializing in aboriginal governance, says the AMC's request is unique but she says other First Nations groups across the country will likely follow suit.
"On a provincewide basis, this is definitely an innovative approach but I think it's an approach that other provinces' First Nations groups will probably take forward," she said.
MTS officials have declined to comment on the issue until they see the group's proposal.
I emailed Mercredi, as soon as I heard this coming through the pipe...
I politely asked him to stop setting back our image a hundred years at a time when we are at the edge of the abysal already and to politely fuck off in the future.
Some people are so stupid.
Biblical_Christian @ Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:10 am
i think those Chiefs and council are making lotta stupid projects, so they can keep thier jobs.
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