Canada vs the world - Sochi 2014
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Hyack @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:13 am
Final score.....
Finland 0 - 3 Canada
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Jabberwalker @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:16 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
stratos stratos:
As of last night
The US often ranks by total medal count, but since they usally field a very large team so it's usually favourable for them list by total medal count.
The US often ranks by total medal count, but since they usally field a very large team so it's usually favourable for them list by total medal count.
The U.S will list by the method that makes them look the best ... and it is mostly for domestic consumption for them to do so (as it is in Russia). Most Canadians can figure it either way that the medals are listed, I would suspect. We always see them listed by different criteria, Olympics after Olympics. If the news feed is from the States (like CTVs) , we are often behind. If it's from the CBC, we are often ahead.
Hyack @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:32 am
Charles Hamelin wins gold in 1,500-metre short track
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Short track Canadian speed skater Charles Hamelin won gold in the men's 1,500 metres at the Winter Olympics in Sochi on Monday.
Hamelin made a sneaky move in the latter half of the race, going out wide on a straightaway then cutting inside on a turn to jump from third to first. "They wanted to keep their place and there was movement behind me," Charles Hamelin told CBC's Scott Russell after his big win. "I decided to pass and go back to first."
That's exactly what he did, holding off his competitors from then on and finishing with a time of 2:14.985, edging Han Tianyu of China.
"It is the best I can dream of, coming in the Olympics and having that gold in the 1,500 metre," Hamelin told CBC Sports. "We always said in the last few years that it was our weakness, but I really worked hard to prove everyone wrong and I think today was the day."
Han finished just behind Hamelin to take the silver for China.
Hamelin made a sneaky move in the latter half of the race, going out wide on a straightaway then cutting inside on a turn to jump from third to first. "They wanted to keep their place and there was movement behind me," Charles Hamelin told CBC's Scott Russell after his big win. "I decided to pass and go back to first."
That's exactly what he did, holding off his competitors from then on and finishing with a time of 2:14.985, edging Han Tianyu of China.
"It is the best I can dream of, coming in the Olympics and having that gold in the 1,500 metre," Hamelin told CBC Sports. "We always said in the last few years that it was our weakness, but I really worked hard to prove everyone wrong and I think today was the day."
Han finished just behind Hamelin to take the silver for China.
saturn_656 @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:58 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
stratos stratos:
As of last night Canada had only 4 medals and Norway had 7
Silver seem to have greater value than bronze in the rankings. That's nothing new though.
The Olympics doesn't officially 'rank' teams, but they list medal standings by # of Gold. So a team with 1 Gold medal is listed higher than a team with 100 silver and bronze. If temas have the same # of Gold, then the one with the most silver is listed first, etc. Canada was #1 on the list in 2010 because we had the most gold, even though 2 other nations had higher overall medal counts.
The US often ranks by total medal count, but since they usally field a very large team so it's usually favourable for them list by total medal count.
Yep, knew that.
BeaverFever @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:27 am
I see the arguments for both:
- On the one hand, "Gold" is the winner, Silver and Bronze are runners-up. Thereofre the team with the most winners is the team with the most Gold, period.
- OTOH, often the difference beetween the Gold finish and the Sivler and Bronze finish is a fraction of a second - you could easily repeat alot of events and find that the top 5 performers finish in a different order and all of these are really the same level of 'elite athlete'. Sometimes the Silver and Bronze could just've easily won the Gold if there was a rematch. Therefore, the best 'country' is really the one with the most elite athletes. Also, the obvious conclusion that a team with only one Gold medal and nothing else is not clearly 'better than' at team with hundreds of silver medals but no Gold.
I think a good compromise is to create a weighted score, say 1 point for Gold, 0.9 for Silver and .8 for Bronze, or something like that....
andyt @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:35 am
I think you need to factor in population to that score. Odds are just much better that a nation of 300 million will produce one gold medalist in a sport than a nation of 30 million. By that score Norway has us beat, and we smoke the Americuns. OTOH, in summer sports, Australia does very well.
But if we take the most golds again, to my mind we will have won.
Jabberwalker @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:35 am
Our team is doing awfully damned well. That's good enough for me.
The Norwegians have us all beat and good on them, too. If they ever learn to play hockey, ...
andyt @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:47 am
We could learn a thing or two from them, never mind the hockey. Like how to manage your natural resources to greatest benefit to the country.
Olympic hockey is bullshit anyway, since the Olympics are supposed to be about amateur sport. Like Olympic basketball.
Jabberwalker @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:54 am
That ideal was never true when you have Eastern Bloc teams composed of all professional athletes. That's all the Olympic athletes ever did in the Communist countries was pursue their sports. The West had real amateurs competing and we invariably got hammered by East Germans, et.al.
martin14 @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:03 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
Our team is doing awfully damned well. That's good enough for me.
The Norwegians have us all beat and good on them, too. If they ever learn to play hockey, ...
The Norwegians have us all beat and good on them, too. If they ever learn to play hockey, ...
There isn't enough of them to support all their other stuff and hockey.
Unless, of course, they put together a Somali hockey team like Sweden has.
Jabberwalker @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:05 pm
I've finally figured it out! You're Don Cherry!
andyt @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:07 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
That ideal was never true when you have Eastern Bloc teams composed of all professional athletes. That's all the Olympic athletes ever did in the Communist countries was pursue their sports. The West had real amateurs competing and we invariably got hammered by East Germans, et.al.
Seems to me that some sports in the Olympics are still held to that standard. Wasn't there some guy who was disqualified for taking $25 or something. If they allow it for hockey they have to allow it for all sports. And still, the sports that don't attract revenue they way hockey or basketball does will have some countries giving much more support than others to those sports.
Jabberwalker @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:21 pm
A lot of countries are actively publishing rewards for medals ... $100,000 per Gold, etc. I honestly don't know if we do that or not.
martin14 @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:30 pm
Looks like gold and silver for us in men's moguls. 
BeaverFever @ Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:32 pm
This just in: Canada takes Gold and Silver in Men's Monguls with 1-2 finish.
Mikael Kingsbury from Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts, Quebec, takes Silver while Alex Bilodeau from Montreal, Quebec, successfully repeats his 2010 Gold Medal in the same sport which made its first debut that year. Bilodeau therefore remains the only Olympian to hold the Gold medal in Mens Moguls
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