Teachers unions get millions for "expenses"
PluggyRug @ Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:04 pm
WTF are union dues for?. Liberal math at it's finest.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... e26913260/
Lemmy @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:57 am
So what's your beef?
OnTheIce @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:51 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
So what's your beef?
That the taxpayer shouldn't be funding things that dues are for.
It should never have been in the contract.
Lemmy @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:54 am
How is it your business what's negotiated collectively and agreed upon by both sides?
OnTheIce @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:04 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
How is it your business what's negotiated collectively and agreed upon by both sides?
Because it's my money.
As a taxpayer, I'm entitled to have an opinion on how and where my money has been spent.
This should never have made it into the contract. This is why unions collect dues. They don't need to be double compensated.
Add to that, it seems like a load of crap to pay a million dollars to a union that forced their teachers out on an illegal strike. An illegal strike with zero consequences besides a 1 million dollar cheque.
Lemmy @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:00 am
It's not your money. You cry when there's a strike. Here one was avoided. Cheaply.
OnTheIce @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:14 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
It's not your money. You cry when there's a strike. Here one was avoided. Cheaply.
Teachers are paid with taxpayer money. So yes, it is my money.
A strike wasn't avoided. What are you missing here? High school teachers were on an illegal strike in Durham, Peel and Rainbow for 5 weeks because the union itself didn't understand the law.
It's all about the kids!
Lemmy @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:34 am
A strike was avoided for most of the province.
By your silly logic, you should be able to tell teachers how to spend their money too, eh? After all it's your money, right? I'll get my sister to call you up and make sure it's okay with you next time she buys a coffee or maxipads.
Teachers don't get any more of your money than anyone else you pay (your plumber, the grocery store owner, etc, etc). Your entire line of reasoning is flawed.
But none of that means anything to you. You hate teachers and you hate unions. So it doesn't matter that Ontario has one of the best education systems in the world.
BartSimpson @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:46 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
It's not your money.
If it's not his money then you won't mind if he doesn't pay for it out of his money anymore.
DanSC @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:47 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
It's not your money.
If it's a public union it's most definitely the public's money.
Thanos @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:52 am
Don't object then when some liberal says he doesn't want his tax dollars going to the police or military, Bart. This is the silliest road to ever go down. The government has the responsibility to use dollars effectively and efficiently but they're not obligated to take every whiners gripe into consideration on where it shouldn't be spent. Stop double payments to unions, of course, but stop all the endless corporate welfare too if tax dollars are so sacred.
BartSimpson @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:58 am
Thanos Thanos:
Don't object then when some liberal says he doesn't want his tax dollars going to the police or military, Bart. This is the silliest road to ever go down. The government has the responsibility to use dollars effectively and efficiently but they're not obligated to take every whiners gripe into consideration on where it shouldn't be spent. Stop double payments to unions, of course, but stop all the endless corporate welfare too if tax dollars are so sacred.
I don't object when a liberal says they don't want their money spent on something.
To the contrary, I've long wanted people to be able to allocate their general fund taxes to the budget categories they approve of. Then the elected representatives can take those allocated amounts and dish them out as needed.
Really, what better form of democracy can there be then to be able to say what your money gets spent on?
Thanos @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:04 am
You say that with your vote. You don't have the right to personally demand that every tax dollar is spent only to your personal approval.
BartSimpson @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:10 am
Thanos Thanos:
You say that with your vote. You don't have the right to personally demand that every tax dollar is spent only to your personal approval.
Why not? If people can vote for politicians then why not have people allocate their taxes as they desire?
$1:
In 2015, total (US) Federal revenues in fiscal year 2015 are expected to be $3.18 trillion.2 These revenues come from three major sources:
1.Income taxes paid by individuals: $1.48 trillion, or 47% of all tax revenues.
2.Payroll taxes paid jointly by workers and employers: $1.07 trillion, 34% of all tax revenues.
3.Corporate income taxes paid by businesses: $341.7 billion, or 11% of all tax revenues.
1.Income taxes paid by individuals: $1.48 trillion, or 47% of all tax revenues.
2.Payroll taxes paid jointly by workers and employers: $1.07 trillion, 34% of all tax revenues.
3.Corporate income taxes paid by businesses: $341.7 billion, or 11% of all tax revenues.
The politicians will still have control over the allocation of about 53% of government revenues while every individual would have a direct say in how their money gets spent.
Pacifists can refuse to spend on defense.
Conservatives can refuse to fund abortion and social programs.
Libertarians can spend their funds on the nation's parks.
Liberals can spend it all on education if they want.
Everyone would have a say. I think it would be a great stride for both freedom and for increasing the awareness of what our governments are doing with our money.
PluggyRug @ Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:34 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
So what's your beef?
To those who understand, no explanation is necessary, to those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.