La Constitution de Québec

[QUOTE BY= Marcarc] We can remain on the fringe and argue about hypotheticals all day, what Quebec 'will do' is based on the BQ and PQ policies, not what any individual Quebecer thinks. If people want to believe that at some point Quebec is going to 'take over' Ontario and Labrador, that's their business. For Ireland, as I said, we've seen little movement towards a referendum, and since loyalist protestants make up the majority there it is somewhat doubtful that the referendum would be any different than the 1973 referendum which had 60% voted in favour of staying british. That could well change, of course, and I have doubts at this point whether Britain would even care. Politically England benefits little from northern Ireland so I suspect that like Canada they'd acquiesce to separatist demands, if the NI voted for it.[/QUOTE] <a href="http://www.nio.gov.uk/agreement.pdf">http://www.nio.gov.uk/agreement.pdf</a> [QUOTE]" CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES 1. The participants endorse the commitment made by the British and Irish Governments that, in a new British-Irish Agreement replacing the Anglo- Irish Agreement, they will: (i) recognise the legitimacy of whatever choice is freely exercised by a majority of the people of Northern Ireland with regard to its status, whether they prefer to continue to support the Union with Great Britain or a sovereign united Ireland;"[/QUOTE]

I"m assuming that this was posted to endorse my point, so thanks for that. If you read just the introduction you will note that the position taken is pretty much identical to that of 1973. In that year Irish nationalists boycotted the referendum because they felt all of Ireland should be able to take part. While I well understand Irish Nationalism that would not exactly be democratic. There has been many draft legislations prepared for the event that Northern Ireland should ever vote to join Ireland, the above post is the latest. However, we are still waiting for the referendum. The parrallel is of limited use anyway, Canada has already stated the conditions which it will accept, and Quebec has already stated the conditions it will impose. After that it is up to the lawyers, and as I said, you'd be hard pressed to find legal support for including Ontario or even Labrador, while Quebec itself has made no claim to want the former. If Ireland is of any parrallel at all it is to show that Quebec may well have to cede english majority areas and native areas and leave it up to them in the future to vote on whether they choose to join Quebec. No doubt like Ireland the rest of Quebec would wish all of Quebecers to vote on such a resolution, and probably like the Irish vote that would be rejected as being undemocratic.

All of Quebec will go!! http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9510/canada/10-31/ "Voter turnout was 92 percent. Out of 4.67 million votes cast, the two sides were separated by about 50,000 votes." You failed to recognize Ireland achieved Republic status without adhering to the Statue of Westminister. That is the very document that Canada cherishes as establishing it as a self-governoring dominion. Ireland held a referendum to accept a constitution in 1937. Ireland did not get recognized by Britain until 1948. If Quebec constructs a constitution and achieves a referendum accepting that constitution, Quebec will be in a position to have its sovereingty recognized by the world. There is no doubt France will be there to recognize Quebec's sovereingty. When that Constitution is constructed it must contained the Geography of the Canada the United States was trying to conquer in 1776. Ireland did not get recognized overnight. So like Ireland, Quebec's sovereingty will take time to be recognized. If there should be any move by Canada to move against Quebec's sovereingty, this would be an act of War by Canada and would likely result in violence. Upon this act, the world will automatically send in the United Nations and this matter is automatically put before the International Court of justice. Quebec has a history dating back 400 years and will emerge triumphant before the United Nations and the ICJ. If Britain could not hold onto Ireland after 1937, How is it that Canada will be able to hold onto Quebec?? Is Canada somehow special and more powerful that Britain?? All of this would come out before the ICJ. Canada has no legs to stand on. If the Constitution is constructed, accepted, and the domino of recognition begun there will be nothing Canada will be able to do about it.

Well, this will be my last word on it since we're getting back to where another discussion was elsewhere, and that's that if nobody else besides yourself is seeking sovereignty over Ontario then its simply medication time. France's ties to Quebec are business ties as well as cultural ones, and typically we know which of those wins out. Power Corporation owns France's largest oil company and virtually every Prime Minister we've had over the past forty years has been in the pocket of that company. Until the dust settles I doubt ANY country is going to simply side with one side or another. As far as the international court goes its highly speculative. The US consistently ignores it's rulings, and if it is as you say that things get violent it will have to begin on the part on Quebecers because the military is run by Canada. As we know, there is no question of the rights of Quebecers to secede, that's established in Canadian law. The question is the terms and native requirements. In other words, how do you force a community to become part of another country if they don't want to. That's why I mentioned that Quebec itself, not Canada, would want to redefine its borders because of treaty rights for natives and persistent demands of english areas which are geographically centralized. If referendum votes keep being just shy of half it would make sense to redefine the borders to only include the people who wish to secede. That's my opinion of course, not anybody elses. As I said, none of these decisions are ours to make, we may as well be talking about hockey or something.

[QUOTE BY= Marcarc] Well, this will be my last word on it since we're getting back to where another discussion was elsewhere, and that's that if nobody else besides yourself is seeking sovereignty over Ontario then its simply medication time. [/QUOTE] <a href="http://demaisonneuve.com/bloc/bienvenue.html">http://demaisonneuve.com/bloc/bienvenue.html</a> "Chers Citoyens et Citoyennes: Our party stands for in Association-Sovereignty: the fusion of Québec with Ontario, and then Sovereignty for Québec (including Ontario). In order to realize this dream, Ontario will have to undergo fundamental changes to become more like Québec. We call this process Québécisation. The two components of Québécisation are francization and cultural improvement. We invite you to become part of this great societal project. If you wish to join our party or contact us, please e-mail us at [email protected] or write to on of the addresses below: Bloc québécois de l'Ontario 30 College Street Toronto, Ontario M6Y 4F6 Québec Bloc québécois de l'Ontario (Bureau québécois) 6600, boulevard de Maisonneuve ouest Montréal, Québec H2D 3R5 Québec Together, we can make a great nation. Yvon Tripper"