All our successes are worth celebrating
Over the last couple of years, there’s been a lot of controversy over how the Stephen Harper Conservatives are supposedly creating a new narrative of Canada and Canadian history that emphasizes the images and values that the Conservatives favour. These include stronger support for the Canadian military, through celebrating Canadian military accomplishments such as the War of 1812, celebrating the monarchy through bringing back the “Royal” designation for the armed forces, celebrating the Canadian North and former Conservative prime minister John Diefenbaker’s efforts to develop that region, and emphasizing Tim Hortons and hockey as major symbols of Canada.
Conversely, the Conservatives are being accused of downplaying other aspects of Canadian history such as the Charter of Rights, Medicare and peacekeeping, which were supposedly played up by the federal Liberals in their narrative of Canada.
In both cases the Liberals and Conservatives are being accused of playing up those aspects of Canada that they feel can be associated with them, while downplaying those aspects that don’t fit their narrative. The parties are also being accused of trying to identify themselves with Canada as a whole, even as they degrade or ignore the elements of Canada that they don’t care for. The Liberals were said to be ignoring Canada’s military history, while the Conservatives were said to be ignoring the development of the social safety net in Canada.
The irony of all this is that many of Canada’s defining elements can be associated with multiple parties and regions. The Conservative John Diefenbaker created the National Council on Welfare, and Conservative leaders like Peter Lougheed played a critical role in the development of the Charter of Rights.
Conversely, it was the Liberals who brought Canada’s military to its greatest heights in the Second World War and who eliminated the deficit and started paying off the national debt in the 1990s. Fiscal prudence and support for the military are not exclusively Conservative values, while social welfare and the development of human rights are not exclusively a Liberal purview. And this doesn’t even consider the impact third parties like the Reform Party and the NDP have had as well.
With all this in mind, I’m baffled as to why we can’t celebrate all of these achievements and successes at once. Where is it written that we can’t celebrate both our military victories and our legacy of peacekeeping? Who says we can’t take pride in both our social safety net and our successes in sports? Why can’t we enjoy both hockey and the fine arts?
The simple answer is that we can celebrate all of these things at once. They don’t belong to any party or ideology. We, as Canadians, can and should be able to take pride in all of them, depending on our own individual beliefs. Downplaying any of them does a disservice to Canada, when often they are all worth celebrating.
We can. The politicians can't because it doesn't fit neatly with the "us good them bad" narratives they like to create.
Xort @ Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:56 am
I don't think any Canadian should take pride in the last rounds of peacekeeping that was conducted. When the military members say something like I'd rather be in another Afghanistan than another Balkans you might want to think about how much the mission was fucked up.
If you want to celebrate the military, do so with missions and wars the military thought was good. Not ones the government felt were good for international diplomacy.
"Fiscal prudence and support for the military are not exclusively Conservative values"
No but the current military can only remember the dark days of the liberal rule.
Xort Xort:
I don't think any Canadian should take pride in the last rounds of peacekeeping that was conducted. When the military members say something like I'd rather be in another Afghanistan than another Balkans you might want to think about how much the mission was fucked up.
If you want to celebrate the military, do so with missions and wars the military thought was good. Not ones the government felt were good for international diplomacy.
"Fiscal prudence and support for the military are not exclusively Conservative values"
No but the current military can only remember the dark days of the liberal rule.
And they are beginning to endure the dark days of CPC rule.
Unsound Unsound:
We can. The politicians can't because it doesn't fit neatly with the "us good them bad" narratives they like to create.
And that's one of the biggest things wrong with our politics these days.
Gunnair Gunnair:
And they are beginning to endure the dark days of CPC rule.
What's wrong with the current CPC rule when it comes to the military? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, I'm just curious to hear your views.
Thanos @ Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:27 pm
I like to dissent from getting on the bandwagon of how great the Charter is. I read a long article in Alberta Report ages ago where they interviewed the western premiers at the time who had signed onto the Charter. All four of them said that if they knew what would happen with the unrestrained judicial activism that broke out after the Charter was adopted they never would have signed it. They also felt that they'd be misled by Pierre Trudeau about how the Charter would permanently defuse separatism in Quebec while simultaneously giving more protection to the less populated provinces. Neither has happened so on that score alone, and then tossing in the judicial shenanigans on the courts that basically over-ride the will and law of Parliament on the whims of whatever court justice is reviewing a particular case, and the Charter today can be seen as a failure. A work-in-progress that can hopefully be improved maybe, but still a failure nonetheless.
JaredMilne JaredMilne:
Unsound Unsound:
We can. The politicians can't because it doesn't fit neatly with the "us good them bad" narratives they like to create.
And that's one of the biggest things wrong with our politics these days.
Gunnair Gunnair:
And they are beginning to endure the dark days of CPC rule.
What's wrong with the current CPC rule when it comes to the military? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, I'm just curious to hear your views.
A ton of talk and very little action. JSS, AOPs and the next gen Surface Combatant - great announcements and already well behind schedule and that's just the RCN. Let's not forget Sea King replacements, F35s, new trucks, LAV III replacement - all very much behind schedule. Arctic base? Great anouncement and already delayed. The only thing that's come through so far is a budget increase followed by the beginnings of a budget decrease and a major revamping of the benefits packages CF folk get.....and not to the good.
Yeah dark days ahead.
Gunnair Gunnair:
A ton of talk and very little action. JSS, AOPs and the next gen Surface Combatant - great announcements and already well behind schedule and that's just the RCN. Let's not forget Sea King replacements, F35s, new trucks, LAV III replacement - all very much behind schedule. Arctic base? Great anouncement and already delayed. The only thing that's come through so far is a budget increase followed by the beginnings of a budget decrease and a major revamping of the benefits packages CF folk get.....and not to the good.
Yeah dark days ahead.
Sadly, government needs to trim. CF is not immune to such cuts.
You can spare us the "dark days" fearmongering though.
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Gunnair Gunnair:
A ton of talk and very little action. JSS, AOPs and the next gen Surface Combatant - great announcements and already well behind schedule and that's just the RCN. Let's not forget Sea King replacements, F35s, new trucks, LAV III replacement - all very much behind schedule. Arctic base? Great anouncement and already delayed. The only thing that's come through so far is a budget increase followed by the beginnings of a budget decrease and a major revamping of the benefits packages CF folk get.....and not to the good.
Yeah dark days ahead.
Sadly, government needs to trim. CF is not immune to such cuts.
You can spare us the "dark days" fearmongering though.
Yeah because you have clue one what you are talking about in this instance.
Stick with the Liberals are bad schlick. You're good at that at least.
Gunnair Gunnair:
Yeah because you have clue one what you are talking about in this instance.
Stick with the Liberals are bad schlick. You're good at that at least.
That's right gunny, everyone's an idiot but you.
Time to turn on your e-bully mode when someone doesn't agree with you!
2Cdo @ Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:11 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Gunnair Gunnair:
A ton of talk and very little action. JSS, AOPs and the next gen Surface Combatant - great announcements and already well behind schedule and that's just the RCN. Let's not forget Sea King replacements, F35s, new trucks, LAV III replacement - all very much behind schedule. Arctic base? Great anouncement and already delayed. The only thing that's come through so far is a budget increase followed by the beginnings of a budget decrease and a major revamping of the benefits packages CF folk get.....and not to the good.
Yeah dark days ahead.
Sadly, government needs to trim. CF is not immune to such cuts.
You can spare us the "dark days" fearmongering though.
While I like the CPC overall, I generally fear that this might be the beginning of another "dark days" ahead.
Kinda glad I retired before things went really downhill.
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Yeah because you have clue one what you are talking about in this instance.
Stick with the Liberals are bad schlick. You're good at that at least.
That's right gunny, everyone's an idiot but you.
Time to turn on your e-bully mode when someone doesn't agree with you!

Time to claim e-bully when someone doesn't agree with you. Now you're just being a baby here and being your own bully - the kind that just ends up whining a lot.
You talking about what's going on in the CF is about as knowledgable as me prosing on Toronto municiple politics.
2Cdo 2Cdo:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Gunnair Gunnair:
A ton of talk and very little action. JSS, AOPs and the next gen Surface Combatant - great announcements and already well behind schedule and that's just the RCN. Let's not forget Sea King replacements, F35s, new trucks, LAV III replacement - all very much behind schedule. Arctic base? Great anouncement and already delayed. The only thing that's come through so far is a budget increase followed by the beginnings of a budget decrease and a major revamping of the benefits packages CF folk get.....and not to the good.
Yeah dark days ahead.
Sadly, government needs to trim. CF is not immune to such cuts.
You can spare us the "dark days" fearmongering though.
While I like the CPC overall, I generally fear that this might be the beginning of another "dark days" ahead.
Kinda glad I retired before things went really downhill.
Just another drama queen for OTI to get all partisan hack over...
Gunnair Gunnair:
You talking about what's going on in the CF is about as knowledgable as me prosing on Toronto municiple politics.
Gun, do you know anything about me or my family history with the CF? You just assume that because I'm not you, I know nothing about the Canadian Forces. My family has been involved in the military going on 70+ years.
Stop pretending you know everything.
2Cdo @ Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:50 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Stop pretending you know everything.