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WhatÂ’s with everyone raging on left wingers. Most of us are in Canada, a country on left wingers. People seem to think just because I/we are left-wingers means we are pot smoking hippies that go on annual and eat soy products. Which is not true. I consider myself a "left winger" but im none of those things...

   

[WhatÂ’s with everyone raging on left wingers. Most of us are in Canada, a country on left wingers. People seem to think just because I/we are left-wingers means we are pot smoking hippies that go on annual and eat soy products. Which is not true. I consider myself a "left winger" but im none of those things...[/quote]

Sorry about that-I should remember to adjust my definitions better. There is nothing wrong with left/right since both represent legitimate philosophical positions. For me (an American observer) left wing/right wing represent the extremes of either ideology and I should remember that there are different connotations on each side of the border.

   

Yeah, but TR, they aren't. Don't ever allow yourself to believe that all Canadians think like Rev or some of the others who post here, ok? They don't. He's right about a few things, not many. I don't particularly have much respect for ideas and people who consistantly position themselves left of center. I think that liberalism (little L intentional) is a gutless philosophy, which credits good feelings and intentions on an equal basis with good deeds. I've never said I hated the Clintons however...only that I held them in just about the same level of esteem as I did Richard Nixon, Larry Flynt, or Jerry Falwell.

Be warned however...if you decide to debate Rev on issues like Kyoto, the truth will be consistantly ignored in favor of dogma and rhetoric. Every ill wind will be blamed on the Bush Administration and American corporations. There are valid reasons for our thumbing our noses at Kyoto and SALT II, but guys like him don't want to look at them. Others here, not me, have pointed out his "...clinical hatred" for America and Americans. I agree with that assessment, but I'm not able to take credit for the comment...it came from another very observant member. He's right...we've known each other for a while now. If a straight line is the ideological spectrum, you'll find him about two inches to the left of the end of the left end of the line. That's fringe territory. Centrist stuff bothers him, almost as much as right wing stuff. Good luck.

Hatred sucks Rev. Your hatred and anyone else's. The question should have been put "Do you approve of George W. Bush?"...that's fine. Do you hate him isn't. Most everyone here understands that. That's good enough for me...I never expected YOU to understand it.

   

Is everybody pickin on you, Wing?

Odd..... I hadnt noticed.

   

People of the Rev's "ilk" are no where near the majority in Canada. However, their influence has been instrumental in the development of this country. Canada is a better place as result.

   

Nonrev...I based that on this statement:

Wing seemed to be feeling a little put upon and was misrepresenting the facts as a result.

Thanks, Karra...I'm flattered that you started a thread just for me. I've seen Wingnut's hatred a lot. My point is/was/remains that his criticisms are hypocritical given his history.

Fire up the threads, TR. I'm a little busy, but the facts are still the facts and science is still science. Bush has broken treaties, international laws, and basically shown himself to be a pig-fucking greed-hog.

You might, like a small and ill-educated man I'm quite familiar with, try to denigrate any facts you don't like as being left-wing rags. That would just make you another small and ill-educated man though. I doubt you want to prove that's what you are.

Don't worry about the definitions of left and right in our respective countries, worry about right and wrong instead, as in, "It is wrong to kill people so your buddies can turn a profit."

Wingnut. Nice try. Isn't it hard to breathe with your head that far up your ass?

   

When you say "Crusades" I assume you like most others are mistaken in that this was solely a Christian attempt to force their religion on others, it was not. The Crusades where part of a larger war between the West and Islam. For centuries Islam had been expanding and waging war against non-Muslims, they had even conquered part of Europe (Spain and Portugal). The Crusades where a counterattack started when the Byzintine Emporer asked the Pope for aid and to reclaimed Christian lands lost to Muslim aggression.

Yes the Church has alot to answer for during the Nazi regem but not all people agreed with them. Look up Dietrich Bonhoffer.

Well religion plays a partial role in the violence in Central Asia much of it is tribal or clan based. Also the drug trade is behind much of the violence as well.

Hate in general is not centered around religion. It can be ideological (left wing/right wing), racial (religion did play a big part in the Abolition of slavery though), tribal. Communism has caused alot of suffering itself and it's not a religion.

   

Neo-conservatism/neo liberalism has caused at least as much suffering as communism and it is not a religion either...although it does have a Christian-right bias in North America, especially the US.

   

The republican party is a right wring christian organization.

   

Sure it is. And Newfoundland is, like the jokes suggest, full of weird, uneducated goofs. Posts like that don't show you to be worldly and educated...in fact they show you to be the exact opposite.

Wasn't a try Rev. It was a statement of fact. Kyoto is bad because it punishes those who have already done a tremendous amount to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, while giving a pass to the third world which has done little to nothing at all. It's great for left wing loonies on the fringe, like yourself for example, because it makes you feel good that the US and Canada are on an even plane with Namibia and Laos, and ignores fact. That is stupid policy...not surprising at all that you support it wholeheartedly. SALT II recognizes Cold War scenarios. The Cold War ended ten or fifteen years ago. The treaty is obsolete. Russia isn't a problem now...it's little third world tyrants who sell enough oil to buy nukes from an increasingly poor Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, etc. Only a moron fails to alter policy in the face of a changing world. Again, not surprising to me at all that you dislike our trashing of SALT II.

No nonrev, I don't feel picked on at all. The statements Rev makes about Americans in general don't apply to me. The butt-kissing choruses of "Yeah Rev, I agree" don't either. The ONLY thing I hate is stupidity. I suppose that makes Rev feel like I hate him. I don't. I just wish he were a little smarter, that's all. There are some young kids who post here and I really wish he wouldn't try so hard to poison their minds with his disgusting hatred for the US. We aren't perfect. We make lots of mistakes. But none of you can make a case that you'd all be better off if we simply disappeared. That being the case, some effort oughtta be made to accomodate and get along with one another. Efforts in any other direction are little more than a waste of time and indulging in fantasy.

   

This thread is about George Dubya, right? Not the U.S., I live and work in Kentucky, have freinds here, dated girls here etc. My ugly post on this thread was NOT directed at american people. It was directed at Bush and his band of triggor happy idiots. I am Catholic, when Bush talks about Jesus out one side of his mouth and gives the "go to war" command out the other side, with no real reason, it boils my blood.

Yep, hate is a strong word, in my opinion the man is a villian. I wouldn't cross the street to shake his hand.

   

Wingnut wrote...

Relative to the US, the average Canadian is definitely further left socially. As an example, the Canadian population is almost evenly split on same-sex marriage, with prominent politicians supporting (or at the very least not arguing against) it, while Kerry and Edwards both don't support it.

While I don't have numbers, I would argue that comparing opinion polls on other issues like abortion, the death penalty, decriminalization of pot, gun control, etc., would also show the contrast.

So, you're right that ALL Canadians don't think like Rev. In fact, I would agree that Rev is further left than most Canadians, in general. But, relative to the American scale, the average Canadian is at least centre, if not left-of-centre, on most issues.

There are many very intelligent individuals on both sides of the political spectrum on both sides of the border. As was said by someone else, both ends of the political spectrum are valid viewpoints and are DESERVING OF RESPECT, regardless of whether you agree with them.

However, not everyone who holds such positions are deserving of respect.

   

But we are weird, uneducated goofs...whatÂ’s your point. The USA government is strongly connected to the Christian church, the USA is many ways is a Christian state, Canada on the other hand is not. The USA's style of government is closer to that of Middle eastern countries and CanadaÂ’s is more European.

   

How so?

   

I know the USA has the whole deal with the separation of church and state, but that’s just words. The USA’s policies are all backed by the church, when something is wrong, its said how it goes against certain Christian beliefs. Everything is Christian this, god that. The Phrase “God Bless America” just about sums it up. How dare a President say “God Bless America”, do you think you have a right to God that others don’t, why would god bless America, why not all people. Are Americans better? What about none Christians in the USA, how do you think they feel when the president says “God Bless America”. He’s saying we have room is this county for Christians and no one else. And doesn’t the president speak for the government, so when the president says “God Bless America” the government is saying it, which to me makes the USA a religious state. And he the USA is trying to stop the spread of these “religious states” I guess what they really want to do is stop the spread of Islamic states, or Islam in general.

   

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