Canada Kicks Ass
When to Say No (to Oil)

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Gunnair @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:21 pm

Jonny_C Jonny_C:
We should build a pipeline to Churchill if BC doesn't want it. :P

Then again, I have a feeling BC will cave on Northern Gateway if the pot is sweetened enough.


I don't think so. Cleaning up the Gulf spill is a cheap cakewalk compared to a North Coast spill and we'll have an NDP government in May.

Highly doubt it'll happen.

   



Zipperfish @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:26 pm

Jonny_C Jonny_C:
We should build a pipeline to Churchill if BC doesn't want it. :P

Then again, I have a feeling BC will cave on Northern Gateway if the pot is sweetened enough.


BC already has the sweetest pot. :lol:

   



Jonny_C @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:49 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
BC already has the sweetest pot. :lol:


Maybe that'll mellow them out.

"Pipeline? Pass that over here, man." 8)

   



Vamp018 @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:54 pm

Gunnair Gunnair:
Jonny_C Jonny_C:
We should build a pipeline to Churchill if BC doesn't want it. :P

Then again, I have a feeling BC will cave on Northern Gateway if the pot is sweetened enough.


I don't think so. Cleaning up the Gulf spill is a cheap cakewalk compared to a North Coast spill and we'll have an NDP government in May.

Highly doubt it'll happen.


I can totally agree you on the cost differences and damages from a Gulf to BC-Alaska spill. I have studied the USCG Spill and cost reports and the cost for clean up and not to mention the damage of after is way higher in ya neck of the sea and isles. I also remember when I was home in Yellowknife a debate re guarding drilling in the Arctic Ocean the Cost for a spill,ouch/croak shall we say. Now what is the NDP stance pipeline wise? Or are they the Canuk Enviro wacko party with leanings towards those criminal terrorist Sea Shepard's.

   



andyt @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:04 pm

Vamp018 Vamp018:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Jonny_C Jonny_C:
We should build a pipeline to Churchill if BC doesn't want it. :P

Then again, I have a feeling BC will cave on Northern Gateway if the pot is sweetened enough.


I don't think so. Cleaning up the Gulf spill is a cheap cakewalk compared to a North Coast spill and we'll have an NDP government in May.

Highly doubt it'll happen.


I can totally agree you on the cost differences and damages from a Gulf to BC-Alaska spill. I have studied the USCG Spill and cost reports and the cost for clean up and not to mention the damage of after is way higher in ya neck of the sea and isles. I also remember when I was home in Yellowknife a debate re guarding drilling in the Arctic Ocean the Cost for a spill,ouch/croak shall we say. Now what is the NDP stance pipeline wise? Or are they the Canuk Enviro wacko party with leanings towards those criminal terrorist Sea Shepard's.


The NDP is even more opposed than the Libs - the Libs are only opposed because they want to be in tune with public opinion, the NDP is more opposed because of their principles.

Me, I'm all for the pipeline and tankers. Just make sure that the companies involved have sufficient funds on hand to take care of any spill, of any size. Say 50 billion at least, in a bond. And make sure they use the best technology - ie double walled pipeline and double walled tankers. Then make them route it to Prince Rupert - much safer. After that, no problem.

There's also the proposal to build a refinery at Kitimat and export refined products. Certainly sounds interesting.

   



Gunnair @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:06 pm

andyt andyt:
Vamp018 Vamp018:
Gunnair Gunnair:


I don't think so. Cleaning up the Gulf spill is a cheap cakewalk compared to a North Coast spill and we'll have an NDP government in May.

Highly doubt it'll happen.


I can totally agree you on the cost differences and damages from a Gulf to BC-Alaska spill. I have studied the USCG Spill and cost reports and the cost for clean up and not to mention the damage of after is way higher in ya neck of the sea and isles. I also remember when I was home in Yellowknife a debate re guarding drilling in the Arctic Ocean the Cost for a spill,ouch/croak shall we say. Now what is the NDP stance pipeline wise? Or are they the Canuk Enviro wacko party with leanings towards those criminal terrorist Sea Shepard's.


The NDP is even more opposed than the Libs - the Libs are only opposed because they want to be in tune with public opinion, the NDP is more opposed because of their principles.

Me, I'm all for the pipeline and tankers. Just make sure that the companies involved have sufficient funds on hand to take care of any spill, of any size. Say 50 billion at least, in a bond. And make sure they use the best technology - ie double walled pipeline and double walled tankers. Then make them route it to Prince Rupert - much safer. After that, no problem.

There's also the proposal to build a refinery at Kitimat and export refined products. Certainly sounds interesting.


Well if that's all.... Enbridge will be along any time. :lol:

   



andyt @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:29 pm

IF they don't like the playing field they can always take their ball and shove it up their ass.

   



raydan @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:43 pm

I've asked this before and I'm not sure anybody answered.

Wouldn't it be possible to have an offshore platform to load these tankers? Yes, I know it would involve extending the pipeline underwater to the platform but it would solve the tricky navigation problems.

   



Gunnair @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:00 pm

raydan raydan:
I've asked this before and I'm not sure anybody answered.

Wouldn't it be possible to have an offshore platform to load these tankers? Yes, I know it would involve extending the pipeline underwater to the platform but it would solve the tricky navigation problems.


Ask BP how off shore platforms work. :lol:

Seriously, I truly doubt it. Making it offshore exposes it to wind and weather, which is only just bearable in the summer months.

   



raydan @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:08 pm

Gunnair Gunnair:
raydan raydan:
I've asked this before and I'm not sure anybody answered.

Wouldn't it be possible to have an offshore platform to load these tankers? Yes, I know it would involve extending the pipeline underwater to the platform but it would solve the tricky navigation problems.


Ask BP how off shore platforms work. :lol:

Seriously, I truly doubt it. Making it offshore exposes it to wind and weather, which is only just bearable in the summer months.

There's a difference between a loading platform and a drilling platform.
I'm no expert, but I'm sure some of them have looked into it.

I worked one summer on a loading platform. They were making changes that involved a lot of soldering. For safety, that required someone in full fire retardant suit with a fire extinguisher, ready just in case. That was me. I also had to wear a CO2 inflatable vest, also just in case. :lol:

   



Gunnair @ Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:10 pm

raydan raydan:
Gunnair Gunnair:
raydan raydan:
I've asked this before and I'm not sure anybody answered.

Wouldn't it be possible to have an offshore platform to load these tankers? Yes, I know it would involve extending the pipeline underwater to the platform but it would solve the tricky navigation problems.


Ask BP how off shore platforms work. :lol:

Seriously, I truly doubt it. Making it offshore exposes it to wind and weather, which is only just bearable in the summer months.

There's a difference between a loading platform and a drilling platform.
I'm no expert, but I'm sure some of them have looked into it.

I worked one summer on a loading platform. They were making changes that involved a lot of soldering. For safety, that required someone in full fire retardant suit with a fire extinguisher, ready just in case. That was me. I also had to wear a CO2 inflatable vest, also just in case. :lol:


Well, again, anything offshore is exposed to wind and weather. Unlikely as hell.

   



PublicAnimalNo9 @ Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:24 am

Gunnair Gunnair:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Previously in this thread;
I I:
Even the American Railroad Association admitted that trains are a far more dangerous method to transport oil than a pipeline.

Not really sure how much more specific I could have been.


Oh get over yourself here. You opted for the broad brush, got called on it, and now there's suddenly a tantrum.

Here's a thought, avoid the broad brush and you won't get called on it. :wink:

It'll save you an emotional meltdown I bet and the cat won't be tip toeing around you for the rest of the day.

A tantrum??? ROTFL Oh please, you got called on being a selective reader and now you're just trying to deflect it instead of manning up to it. You also seem to have a strange definition of a broad brush.
So, because I mentioned a particular group of eco-nuts that were only looking at the small picture, that's using a broad brush. If I recall, it was you that brought up the Northern Gateway when I was CLEARLY talking about those protesting Keystone XL. Never mind the fact that I had previously explained my opposition to the Northern Gateway and why. If I recall correctly, you and I were the only ones arguing in support of the fact that the waters the supertankers would have to ply are some of the most dangerous waters in the world for ships in general.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of you having a good pout.

   



Gunnair @ Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:32 am

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Gunnair Gunnair:


Oh get over yourself here. You opted for the broad brush, got called on it, and now there's suddenly a tantrum.

Here's a thought, avoid the broad brush and you won't get called on it. :wink:

It'll save you an emotional meltdown I bet and the cat won't be tip toeing around you for the rest of the day.

A tantrum??? ROTFL Oh please, you got called on being a selective reader and now you're just trying to deflect it instead of manning up to it. You also seem to have a strange definition of a broad brush.
So, because I mentioned a particular group of eco-nuts that were only looking at the small picture, that's using a broad brush. If I recall, it was you that brought up the Northern Gateway when I was CLEARLY talking about those protesting Keystone XL. Never mind the fact that I had previously explained my opposition to the Northern Gateway and why. If I recall correctly, you and I were the only ones arguing in support of the fact that the waters the supertankers would have to ply are some of the most dangerous waters in the world for ships in general.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of you having a good pout.


Irrespective of whether you were talking about Keystone or NG, you opted for the broad when you chose to fling around the eco-nut epithet for those protesting Keystone. Not wanting a pipeline is hardly deserving of the title and as you say yourself, you oppose NG - which some would say puts you clearly in your 'eco-nut' category for those who want NG to go through. :lol:

   



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